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You can’t get rid of it, you can only hide it: Microsoft imposes controversial Windows Backup on users::Like it or not, the Windows Backup app installed in Windows 10 and Windows 11 is here to stay, with Microsoft calling it a "system component" that can't be

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[-] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

coming soon: Monthly subscription to use windows with the justification that it uses an online service in order to work

[-] georgette@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I can't wait for the eventual warning pop-ups and emails, warning me that my onedrive is almost full (70%)

[-] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

You can just say no to the tool and keep using whatever local backup you have.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago

Honestly I hope, would be a big boom for Linux which I already use

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago

This year is the year of Linux, just like every year before it.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[-] sock@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

what do you mean by this

do u think a cloud pc (with constant server costs) shouldnt be a monthly fee?

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I think this is likely the "new only Windows option" in the not so distant future. I think it shouldn't exist.

[-] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

And what will be the host from which you will run Cloud PC? Linux, macOS?

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

What sick moronic idiot would want a cloud pc that's accessible via... a pc

[-] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Their primary use is enterprise not private consumers. Think of virtualized OS accessible over internet that you can manage/protect and provide for example to some random consultant. Or just provide more powerful PC on low end HW.

It's costly though and not sure it ever gained traction because there always were alternatives like Citrix Desktops.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Maybe there's a use case, but I'm anti-cloud and always will be. I struggle to think of a situation I couldn't do better with in-house (or even air gapped) VMs of my own.

Anyone who watches 365 uptime knows that Microsoft's cloud is a fragile laughing stock. They use a Twitter account because their own status portal is so laughably trash and unreliable. If you don't believe me I don't blame you. Here it is.

The day I trust any cloud platform (Especially Microsoft) is the day I promise to jump off a cliff.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Thank you. Exactly. The term "cloud" is just code for "someone else's computer" and as you say, there's very little that cannot be done without it. And once you entrust your data to someone else's hardware, all you really have are assurances and probabilities that what you expect will happen with it becomes what actually happens with it. No guarantees.

And you pay for all this, monthly, until the end of time.

I don't blame anyone that wants to go that route, I use a freebie bit of cloud for phone photos myself, but anything of more import, nah. More "cloud" for everyone else, I suppose, because they can have my share.

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I have a confident guess about what Microsoft runs theirs on.. it ain't Windows.

[-] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I would say windows IoT would be the most likely to be prepackaged with new systems, since it'll likely be a rolling changeover.

I'd expect that within 5 years that pretty much all home and business PCs running windows will be thin clients

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_

[-] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can't imagine it being the case, thin clients have existed for a very long time and Cloud PC is nothing revolutionary just an additional offering from Microsoft.

Not to mention private consumers will not pay subscription for OS that in long run is a lot more expensive and worse HW that they probably already have.

[-] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

ugh ew thin clients that probably will work even worse

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Still $129 for the initial license key, too

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

It's been a thing for years already for enterprises

[-] BlueBockser@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I don't see a problem with subscriptions for commercial software. Fixing bugs and security issues after release is an ongoing effort that costs money, so a one-time purchase isn't really economically viable in the long run. I honestly wouldn't feel comfortable using unmaintained software that might contain known but unfixed vulnerabilities.

[-] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As someone who advises on and implements software at work that would be sorta ok if these companies charging several thousand a year would actually fix bugs and provide proper support. Zendesk is a pretty big display of this: feature requests lay dormant in their support pages, the only way you can get support is through a chat where the rep will point you to an article you already read most of the time, updates that ever obfuscates settings into a dizzying amount of menus in the admin panel, and so on. All for a minimum of $55 a month per seat if you want email and calling. The issue is costs are sky high for practically no value

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Have you checked how much money Microsoft have recently? Their current model doesn't appear to be a problem for them.

[-] BlueBockser@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago

You're arguing a completely different point. Windows isn't Microsoft's only product by a long shot, so I don't see how their money (whatever you mean by that, specifically) is the answer here. Also, every few years there's a new Windows version which again costs money - almost like a subscription with bigger installments at longer intervals.

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