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[-] unnecessarygoat@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

afaik, in cuba the means of production isn't directly controlled by the workers but is controlled by the government which acts as a middle man between the workers and the means of production

[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 year ago

That's state capitalism, and has nothing to do with socialism.

The workers control the means of production under socialism, not the government, this makes it in no way socialist by any commonly used definition of socialism by philosophers.

[-] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

You seem to know what you are talking about. Can you ELI5 the difference between communism and sosialism, in the shortest possible words?

[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Okay, first, to lay some groundwork, there have been many modes of production throughout history

first, there was hunter/gatherer societies, then feudalism, then capitalism

Then we have theories as to what could come next, according to the marxist viewpoint, the next thing will be socialism, and then after that, communism.

So, communism is a post-socialist ideology, the only requirement for it to be socialism is that instead of a bourgeois class and a worker class, they will become unified (doesn't matter how for the purposes of explaining this, but usually through violent revolution)

So, a socialist place would have the workers self-manage, people who work in a place would also have democratic control over that place in some way.

After that happens, for various reasons outside of the scope of an eli5, communism comes, communism is a post-socialist society in which the workers own the means of production (hence the socialist prerequisite), currency has been abolished, the state has been abolished (but not government, these are two distinct entities in socialist thought), and there are no class divisions whatsoever.

Part of the problems with discussions about these topics is that communist philosophers of old used terms in very different ways than the colloquial ways we use them today. I can expand upon this if you have any followup questions!

[-] boyi@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago

In the spirit of knowledge, I've tried to understand them by reading some sources but I never could get around it. It's like me, a non-physicist, trying to understand quantum theory and theory of relativity. Anyway, your explanation is good enough for me to be able to different between the two terms. Thanks.

[-] Communist@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

No problem, feel free to PM or message on matrix if you want any elaboration or have any questions!

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