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Mike Dulak grew up Catholic in Southern California, but by his teen years, he began skipping Mass and driving straight to the shore to play guitar, watch the waves and enjoy the beauty of the morning. “And it felt more spiritual than any time I set foot in a church,” he recalled.

Nothing has changed that view in the ensuing decades.

“Most religions are there to control people and get money from them,” said Dulak, now 76, of Rocheport, Missouri. He also cited sex abuse scandals in Catholic and Southern Baptist churches. “I can’t buy into that,” he said.

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[-] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

One of the least spiritual things you can do is go sit on a pew and listen to a boring person talk.

[-] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Though it is a great way to catch up on sleep! Back when I was a "true believer" a lifetime ago I used to catch some serious Z's during a sermon, because even then I realized that the way sermons work requires an inaccurate view of the Bible as a cohesive work rather than an internally inconsistent anthology. Had there been an iota of academic or historical rigor I might have taken longer to become an atheist. But actual church history is anathema to faith, which is why pastors have to pretend the text speaks for itself and is timeless, rather than a collection of texts representing the thoughts of various groups, some of which were almost certainly diametrically opposed to each other (e.g., even the so-called synoptic gospels present vastly different conceptions of the "point" of Jesus, if you have eyes to see).

[-] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I actually really enjoyed that part when I was a young Agnostic at a private religious school.

I wouldn't actively participate in services, but was required to be there, and the sermons were pretty neat in truth.

Honestly I think if society got together on a weekly basis to listen to discussions on ethics and mortality without the supernatural BS it wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

It's the supernatural part that's super fucked up, and the guilt tripping. And the concept of inherent sin and unworthiness. And the authoritarianism. And the discouraging of critical thinking.

But the talks about the nature of the human experience and interdependency of society aren't that bad at all.

[-] Kushan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Of all the things organised religion promotes, being spiritual is very fucking far down the list.

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