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For once, I think the cops may be telling the truth. Getting a bullet in one's spine might be a bit much for a cover story.
Assuming that it wasn't friendly fire they blamed on Tortuguita, anyway.
What's crazy is this should be a ridiculous theory but cops in America have a long history of dishonesty and a lack of proactive self regulation until something gets out of control and becomes public. You aren't "taking care of mine and my own" by allowing your peers to permanently tarnish the reputation of your profession. Publicly calling out the garbage does way less harm because it shows integrity and that seeds trust. Sweeping the dirt under the rug doesn't seed trust.
It was definitely friendly fire. Cops are fucking awful at containing collateral damage.
Go look at how often they shoot random bystanders, animals, whenever. Now: Who's going to be in that line of fire more than anyone else? That's right! Other cops.
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Oh yeah from lower in the thread, it was friendly fire: https://www.npr.org/2023/03/11/1162843992/cop-city-atlanta-activist-autopsy
"How about if we surround the tent and all start firing?"
"Jerry, that's brilliant!"
Narrator:
It was.
The most likely scenario is the police threatened him with violence, and they started shooting pepper balls at the tent he thought they were shooting bullets and he returned fire.
The victim was on his knees with his hands up when shot multiple times. There were exit wounds on his hands and arms that would have only been there if his arms were up.
The cops probably surrounded him then shot eachother, then to cover it up they shot someone afterwards with a gun found on the victim.
Cops will stick together, but I don't think it extends to "shooting each other multiple times and possibly paralyzing a fellow officer".
You have two people to possibly blame for a friendly fire accident, a fellow officer who could get fired or maybe sent to jail, your other choice is the guy you just shot 56 times.
Who do you blame in that instance if you are a cop?
He doesn't look the I'm carrying and will shoot some pigs if provoked part, just my assumption tho
Those who knew him claimed he had committed to nonviolence.
Although apparently the ballistics report claims the bullet came from a gun Terán owned.
I'm inclined to believe the cops used excessive force since that's what they're regularly trained to do.
How are you committed to nonviolence, but buy a gun and bring it to a protest? That doesn't mean he was looking to fight or that he didn't prefer nonviolent resistance, but it's pretty incompatible with a commitment to nonviolence.
A lot of unanswered questions about this situation for sure. Probably will remain that way.
Thanks for that. The above excerpt made it seem like he was an unarmed activist. Dude shot at the cops, WTF did he think was going to happen?
I've heard on twitter from people who've been following this that the bullet came from another cop's gun.
That is one theory, based on a conversation captured on another (not-directly-involved, but on-site) office's bodycam footage. It isn't really conclusive, it's on-scene hearsay from what is likely the downstream end of a game of telephone.
The more productive avenue for discussions, in my opinion, is to consider whether firing pepper balls at non-violent individuals is perhaps negligent or reckless use of force, that escalates the situation without solving anything.
I don't see anything about a music festival in Tortuguita's death. The only reference to a music festival is from a protest months ago.
Ops miss read it. Deleted, she was in the wrong
Instantly and uncritically believing the word of a cop is a great way to justify murder.
Cops wouldn't take a bullet to the spine to justify a murder. If they just want to kill someone, they'll just kill them
Edit: nvm, seems it was friendly fire
Guess that's not too surprising
6 months to be a cop, 2 years to be a hairdresser. This country is fucked
Cops would use friendly fire to justify murder.
Cops would murder to cover up their friendly fire even.
So “killing them” is still “murder”, right? Check this out:
https://www.npr.org/2023/03/11/1162843992/cop-city-atlanta-activist-autopsy
That’s not “they shot them”. And then blew him up and blamed it on him.
This is a tale as old as the slave catchers themselves. Let’s not buy it wholesale.
Except he didn't shoot at them, as evidenced by the lack of any GSR during the autopsy.
Most likely scenario at this point is blue on blue i.e. another cop fired their gun, and this cop let loose on an unarmed activist who was, at time of death, had his hands up.
No way it was a single cop executing him, with both hands and arms sustaining multiple gunshot wounds. That was a straight up firing squad execution....