189
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] Chup@feddit.de 36 points 1 year ago

"Fifty terrorists arrived in vans, dressed in military uniforms," she said.

It is not far from the Gaza Strip, from where Hamas fighters crossed over at dawn to launch their attack. They infiltrated towns and villages, taking dozens of people hostage.

How is that possible to get that many armed people and vehicles across THAT border? I have never been there, I only know pictures of parts of the border from media, with barb wire fences, walls, concrete blocks, surveillance cameras, military checkpoints. Pretty much a border made to prevent anything like this.

Does anyone have further information where or how they managed to get that many people with that much equipment into Israel?

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 50 points 1 year ago

I can't tell you exactly what happened to let this particular breach happen, but from what I've seen myself and what I've heard from family:

  1. There are many security checkpoints like the one where my cousin got stabbed (in his vest, he's ok!!!) Palestinians are guided through essentially storage containers and checked by members of the IAF on their way to work or whatever reason they have to visit what we'll agree to call Israel merely for these explanations. While heavily guarded, these points would be incredibly easy to breach if you're willing to sacrifice enough lives through drastic enough of measures.
  2. While many are heartless regarding the situation the Palestinians have been put in, the Israelis aren't totally emotionless. Some parts of Palestine are quite cultural and beautiful, so the walls are more like fences so that the Israelis and tourists can appreciate the aesthetics created by the oppressed population.
  3. Remember the rule of 80/20: the top 20% of the areas get 80% of the resources due to wealth inequality. While many areas have perfectly adequate infrastructure, many places have over-the-top security and infrastructure, leaving some places to be underfunded and dilapidated. It's not totally unbelievable that people could get over, under, or through the walls.
  4. People get into Israel "illegally" all the time. These holes in the security are quickly found and patched up because the person who crossed the border is quickly collected and questioned. I'd reckon that if more patient members of the population took the time to construct more effective modes of crossing the border, they wouldn't be discovered due to ignorance, allowing a large crossing briefly. When you're relying on opposition telling on themselves, you don't know what they don't tell you.
  5. Sudden strength in numbers with little broadcasting would be enough to overwhelm some crossing areas.

Ultimately, something like this was bound to happen eventually, primarily due to the leadership of ~~king~~ Netanyahu and the poisoned minds of the Israeli population. I'm not saying that all people in Israel are inhuman, but the constant barrage of belittling talking points about the Palestinians have caused even some of my more sympathetic family members to begin believing some of the propaganda that allows atrocities against other humans to go relatively unopposed. The way that they've learned to justify these things to themselves is shocking to me, especially when they follow up toxic sentiments with, "most Palestinians are incredible people and all of Palestine deserve peace."

Also, if you'll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment: with all of the egg that's been all over Netanyahu's face recently, a war is a really great way to garner support and deflect attention from his scandals. I wouldn't be surprised to eventually learn that there was plenty of intelligence about this attack and they were dismissed as lacking credibility and whatnot. I'm not saying that I 100% believe that Netanyahu possibly had a hand in these attacks happening, but I do know that he's been talking about, hoping for, and probably needing a war for quite some time to empower his corruption and further genocide a population for which he harbors incredibly disgusting feelings.

[-] Dusktracer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thank you for this explanation. It helped illuminate some of the larger questions I had regarding this event!

[-] Mvlad88@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Easy, if your country is run by a corrupt, authoritarian leader like Netanyahu, you will end up with corruption, laziness and ignorance in the whole governmental system.

[-] sndmn@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Corruption and competence are incompatible.

[-] AttackPanda@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago

I am very curious as well. I read in the AP that the government is getting a lot of scrutiny over that at the moment but hasn’t provided any responses. All I have heard was that it was a well planned and coordinated attack so maybe the use of electronic warfare along with an initial attack on monitoring stations? Very interested in reading the report once more information is available.

[-] moftasa@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

I read they used motorised paragliders to cross over the border fence. The vans may have been captured afterwards. But this is my guess and I have no idea if there were forces that managed to overpower israeli forces controlling checkpoints.

[-] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

On top of bulldozers and explosions blown in the gate.

[-] Blastasaurus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I would imagine there is a less secure border running through the desert, not unlike the US-Mexican border.

this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2023
189 points (92.0% liked)

World News

39005 readers
1012 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS