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When you treat people like shit for years, don't be surprised if they fight back.
Israel has constantly held these people under the heel. Which is a bit rich when you think about all the wringing hands and what have you when anyone mentions the holocaust and the hard time Jews got in Europe before WWII.
I used to think Israel was the hard done by party here, over the last 30 odd years I've come to realise Israel are not the shining example of perfection they'd like us all to believe.
I don't think there's any appropriate reason to discuss whether they should or should not have attacked Israel when they chose soft civilian targets. That's a fucking big no in any realm. Any credibility they may have had just went out the window. Just another fucking group of terrorists now.
Israel has been going after Palestinian civilians for decades.
So you also admit Israel is a terrorist state and that they have zero credibility?
Do you have specific instances of Israel actually targeting civilians when they're not being used as human shields? They've bombed civilian buildings, but usually because Hamas uses those buildings to house weapons. And with roof knocking/alerts, they are at least making some effort to limit collateral damage
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/11/05/worlds-eyes-us-election-israel-bulldozes-west-bank-village-biggest-single-demolition
Look at the maps. This is genocide. Over and over Israel bullzodes and kills Palestinians and steals their lands.
I'm not going to defend forcefully displacing innocents, obviously that is an atrocity in its own right. But it's not indiscriminate killing like people are claiming.
No it's not indiscriminate...it's genocide. Systematic elimination of Gaza. Let's have this discussion once Israel levels it and Gaza is gone. That's where this is headed.
I'm not admitting to anything and I don't appreciate you attempting to put words into my mouth to fit your worldview.
The events of the past are not relevant when the events of the current are beyond the boundaries of what's acceptable to the rest of humanity.
Anyone who kills innocent people is on my shit list, it doesn't matter what God they serve, what border they protect, or what color are their skin is, or who they like to fuck.
Right and wrong don't give an absolute single fuck about whose side your favorite is.
The events that we're talking about here are the events that we're talking about here.
They just pointed out how using your logic neither side has any credibility due to their subjugation and murdering of innocent civilians.
Except in this case both parties actively go beyond the boundaries of what's acceptable to the rest of humanity
Also that "events of the past" vs "events of the current" dichotomy is just some S-tier mental gymnastics. It's all in the past. The Hamas attack, Israel's more recent attack that also killed loads of civilians. If you know about the event, then it's already happened. That's just how time works.
They're just choosing some arbitrary point in the past to start counting so they can claim one side is the victim and the other are the terrorists, but they're pretending to have some objective basis for it although that falls down the moment you look at it.
Well let's go all the way back then. What does the Israelis own history say vis a vis the Bible / Torah? Oh yeah it says the cannaanites were there first and the only claim they have to that land is literally " we know u were here but god told us this is ours"
And we can condemn the Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity as well.
Yep. Israel does commit war crimes and crimes against humanity. As does hamas.
Israel is an apartheid state. They are reaping what they have sown.
Rubber band is snapping back
I didn't say it was justified. You need to calm down. Goodbye.