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I really don't understand why people are still talking about religion at this point.
I believe the humanitarian situation and the exasperation on one side and the economical interests and such on the other far outweigh the religious motivations
religious motivations far outweigh the real-world. this is why religion, at its core, is a terrible thing.
the whole ' i will forsake my actual life, the most valuable thing an entity can possess', because religion.
that the rich are utilizing this facet, honestly, is a good point.. but belies the deep momentum these things have that are far past economic reasoning
That would ultimately lead to either a bloody stalemate or the annihilation of Israel.
More likely the annihilation of Palestine, which is the current direction.
I honestly can't believe how split about this whole thing Lemmy is.
It's pretty cut and dry. When you violently oppress people for decades you open the gates to violent retaliation. If Israel would just leave Palestine the fuck alone none of this would've happened.
It's like Russia and Ukraine. Israel is Russia and Palestine is Ukraine. The only difference is it's been one sidedly violent for years and the bubble finally popped.
Palestine wants the extermination of Israel. There’s no just leaving Palestine alone while Israel exists.
Israel agreed to the UN proposal for a Palestinian state and Israeli state, with Jerusalem being internationally administered.
Palestine rejected it, and the second the British mandate expired, attacked the Israelis with the help of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Iraq with the goal of exterminating them entirely.
I mean if I was violently oppressed for decades I'd be insatiable too.
My point is this has been a long time coming for Israel. They've been doing fucked up things for decades and surprise surprise it's created a group of people who want nothing more than to see Israel burning.
Maybe they should have accepted the two independent state proposal instead of attempting to eliminate all the Jews in the region.
Israel accepted the two state proposal by the UN which gave Palestinian Arabs all the land they currently claim and made Jerusalem a neutral territory. Palestine responded by having Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq invade and try to exterminate all Israeli Jews like they did in the Muslim conquest.
They all got their asses handed to them. Over and over again every time they’ve started shit.
Imagine China splitting the US in two, and giving half of it to foreigners to make a nation on. I don't think the US government would be happy about that, and that new nation doesn't even have to be the kind that tries to expand every millisecond, it just needs to exist for there to be a conflict.
Palestine as a single nation didnt exist before the British mandate. It was territory owned by the Ottoman Empire after the conquered it from the Arab Mamluks in 1516. It was divided into 5 different sanjaks under the ottomans too, not a single district.
It’s a lot more like the division of Germany after WWII than anything. Or the breakup of Yugoslavia or the Soviet Union.
Jews have been living there for thousands of years, even during the periods of Muslim rule, and have as much right to call it home as well.