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You'd be the guy saying Native Americans are "evil" for fighting against European colonizers.
Native Americans did fuck people up. They weren't innocent, they fought back and when the colonizers started mutilating people's corpses they retaliated in kind. There is no perfect victim.
Yeah, that's totally unbiased and sensical. /s
I'm wondering if you'd read this: https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/2021413_new_all_population_israeli_palestinian_survey
What do you think of these? I think it's a much better analysis of public opinion among Jewish and Palestinian residents.
Those are the stats from 2021. Yes, so what about the other 50%? Do you think there is a bit more complication going into supporting Hamas? Or does that conclusion lead you to "they are assholes"? My question is, how? Walk me through your reasoning.
Is apartheid a good enough reason, in your opinion?
Also, what would your reaction be if I said something like The majority of Jewish people are assholes? And then to prove it, what if I just linked to this survey from B'Tselem that states:
These numbers show that only one-third of Jewish people residing in Israel or in the occupied territories believe that this Jewish supremacy law should be removed.
So at this point, is it useful in any way or even descriptive of the situation at hand to say The majority of Jewish people are assholes? Is it acceptable? Is it racist?
I think there is a lot of misuse of statistics being done here. No single survey can show us the truth accurately, but surveys and statistics can only bring us closer to understanding the big picture.
Saying things like *The majority of Palestinians are assholes" makes you come off as a one-dimensional character with cartoon reasoning.
At least you're consistent, I give you that.
That's like saying "the Palestinians who aren't Hamas". MLK himself said that his movement benefited greatly because people were forced to pay attention to it. If it could have been ignored then it probably would have been, but it presented an alternative to the more violent and terroristic solutions to racism presented by some of MLK's contemporaries, so even there you can't separate out that movement from the context and expect it to stand alone.
Also i hear shit like "the majority of black people are assholes" from racist fuckers all the time so this post is giving me kinda mixed messages.
Because it's possible not to when you have access to water and, generally, the basic necessities of life. Live under constant oppression, though? Moral systems cease to apply, instinct takes over, and baseline human nature is metal.
Suppose you corner a cat. Would you blame her if you get scratched? Same shit, grander scale. Don't push people to desperation and fascist orgs like Hamas wouldn't have the support they have.
You're stripping context away. This is all you anti-Palestinians, pro-Zionists do to push your genocidal views.
There's no proof or evidence of any rape happening. This is just you making the assumption that since women are taken, they must have been raped by these savage Palestinians. This is pure, unadulterated racism. Sure, it could have happened and it could be happening, but there's literally no proof of it anywhere. You're literally just making shit up because you're racist.
You know what you've never talked about or thought of in your life? The decades long documented torture and raping campaign of Palestinians by Israel never mind all the tens of thousands of dead Palestinians. None of this makes you bat an eye.
What you're saying is just a straight up lie backed up with nothing.
I don't know why you think racism against Palestinians is okay. This is literally identical to every other genocidal campaign throughout history. "These other people are savages and 'fucked' and can't be civil, therefore, it's okay to treat them the way they are treated."
There's no difference between you and the people after 9/11 thinking we should nuke the entire Middle East into oblivion. You're the same person. Very stupid, very emotional. We're all glad the only power you have over anyone is yourself. You're an unhinged nutjob.
So everyone in every Western military and government too? Or that doesn't count because it's acceptable when they do it.
There is actually a very ironic colonial theme to his comment.
Without evidence, Native Americans were blamed for taking and raping white women. It was often used to swing civilian view and stage attacks to displace or kill them.
Then he goes full genocide in his last sentence. Found the Tankie I guess.
Are you saying that europeans have a historical claim to America from BCE???
Different scenario because European colonizers actually had a home.
Where the fuck are the Jews supposed to go?
Wherever they want? There's tons of other places for the Israelis to go make lives for themselves. Who the fuck cares if they have "a state" or not? Just go fucking live and don't fuck shit up for yourselves or the people around you.
Demanding a "safe space" for your particular genetic deviation in this day and age is nothing more than nationalism. The Jewish people have an established history that encompasses the entire planet. What difference does it make if they have a "state" or not? Do you think the millions of non-practicing jews around the world give a shit?
Disclaimer: The people saying Jews shouldn't exist are ignorant, evil assholes. Also, the jews saying they have a right to bulldoze Palestinian homes are ignorant, evil assholes.
Fuck off with your religious/ethnic bullshit and figure out how to live alongside other fucking people.
So you believe in kicking 10 million people out of their homes and telling them to just figure it out?
Like before, or now? Which one do You oppose?
Did they bulldoze a Palestinian farm to get their home?
Did you even read anything I wrote or did you just fucking knee-jerk to shitheel zionist talking points? You sound like a shitty AI bot.
Funny bit about the AI bot because when I asked you about Native American reservations it's like you didn't have an answer bc no one programmed you with that response yet.
No, we don't believe in kicking 10 million Palestinians out of their homes and telling them the Israelites now live there
Who cares if they have a state or not? Did you magically forget 6 millions innocent jews vanishing in ww2? Who would protect the jewish race (yes it's a race, according to everyone in the world sadly) besides themselves? They 100% should have a country, and they 100% shouldn't have gotten the land of israel. But who gave them it? The world. The UN vote. So blaming them is not really fair. Ever since getting it from the UN, they did nothing but keep it safe, because again, who would defend their race but themselves.
Do you feel the same way about Native American reservations?
I'm sorry, but what point are you trying to make?
Asking you a question, how do you feel about Native American "safe spaces"?
Sealions?
Sealioning is when you relentlessly ask for evidence, even when you know you're going to ignore it.
I'm asking for his opinion, which I suspect he won't give because he knows it's going to make him look some kind of way.
People say that sometimes, but I think it's a good question. What would be your answer?
The allies should have given them land in europe or america instead they did imperialism and now we are here.
So honestly probably anywhere else
I think they should have made Israel from a piece of Germany.
My take is they should have given the jewish people Kalingrad.
I think that Zionism drew them to the region. They wanted to go there.
Germany would have been better though, in hindsight.
Should have, would have, could have.
Who the fuck care, where are the Jews supposed to go right now?
Where are the Palestinians supposed to go?
You both are getting tangled up in victim vs. offender. The reality is that even if there was a place for one of the groups to go and live in peace, both sides would still fight tooth and nail about who is allowed to stay. Jerusalem is sky-daddy's resort and both want to possess it.
Reconciliation before secularism is impossible.
I care so .. me?
It sure is easy to care about decisions someone made 80 years ago instead of dealing with the real life problems of present day.
that is dealing with them.
step 1 - understanding
I mean it would have been better to give them a chunk of Germany.
Idk maybe they should have not done the exact same terrible things hamas is now doing. I think hamas is wrong and evil, but they didnt cast the first stone.
That's such shortsighted opinion that if all humanity followed it there would be not a piece of the Earth left to live on. People don't automatically turn terrorist and torture civilians even if they go to war. But in this case they choose to and do cause increased suffering to others beyond whats necessary to win the fight because they enjoy when they can cause others to suffer. It's sick and deviant. No excuse.
If they were more civilized (e.g. not rapping and torturing civilians) maybe there would be dozen of countries and organizations helping them with necessities and asylum but who in their healthy mind would go there to be humanitarian risking to be tortured, raped and made their body paraded through their streets?
I hear they've stopped doing rapping, and not just because rap music isn't as popular there.
When the wars are over, people in all other conflicts have generally gone home. Sierra Leone, Rwanda, america, Ukraine before, maybe Ukraine again soon, Poland, France, Belgium, Egypt, and Germany. When the war is over, people return home and begin rebuilding.
If the followers of judaism want to go home, I'm sure they'd be welcomed home and allowed to re/immigrate quickly and easily to the nations their parents fled from. Most could claim full citizenship quickly due to their parents' citizen status or the parents of their parents.
I don't think any Jewish person willing to live peacefully should be made to leave Palestine (if it ever gets "liberated"). They also built a home and became part of the area, many without any fault of their own. Imagine just being born there into this mess. This has been going on for 75 years, people have lived and died already. It would be wrong again to de-home people. This has been the issue from the start. There is enough infrastructure in current-day Israel to be enough for everyone to live and prosper with dignity.
There has to be a solution that works for everyone, with the smallest number of casualties. It might take decades, but what's another couple of decades compared to 75 years of Israeli oppression?
That being said, settlers should give the homes they stole back immediately.