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China urges ‘calm’ after Hamas attack on Israel
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Forced education is not forced labour (though, if you've ever done a STEM degree, you'd know that it feels a lot like it lol).
The principle of reform by labour was a core pillar of Chinese economic and social reform during the Cultural Revolution. It's been reformed countless times and is still used to a limited degree today on some prosecuted prisoners around the country. Crucially, they are not the same thing. You can be educated without being forced to work (and vice-versa).
It's fine to be critical of Chinese policy in general, but a lot of people in the West don't understand Chinese history at all or the context that birthed modern Chinese policy. China's been remarkably consistent in policy.
I don't know why you stated that China historically uses forced labor as a mens of reform right after you said they weren't using forced labor. Am I supposed to be impressed with their newfound restraint? Also, from accounts from inside the forced education centers it sure seems like the prisoners get plenty of physical abuse.
That's not what I said and you know it. Forced education and forced labour were both part of the mass rural-to-urban migration of the Cultural Revolution. Yet, it's difficult to argue that the Cultural Revolution was a genocide. Whereas Chinese policy has, by and large, focused on economic factors, genocide implies some ethnically-driven motivation. Such a motivation doesn't really exist. For what it's worth, the presence of penal labour in modern China is extremely similar to the US system of prison labour (over-representation by minorities and all). However, whereas in the US this is driven by racial tensions, in China this is driven predominantly by economic ones (the places where minorities live tend to be poorer provinces and the people predominantly have rural hukou).
I'd ask you if you've ever gone to school in China but I know the answer is going to be no. It's a distinct misunderstanding of culture to claim that corporal punishment is only present in China's education system in Xinjiang. More extreme things might have recently been outlawed, but the enforcement of that law is still not very strong.
I didn't claim you said anything that you did not and I certainly never claimed that corporal punishment is only present in Xinjiang.
Also, I don't think it's ok to point to the US prison system as a good comparison (considering it's one of the worst, if not the worst in the developed world). Would be better to compare to a different wealthy democratic country if China wants to prove their system is fair.
A wealthy democratic country to... Compare to a country with an average salary of $14k?