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Photo: New York City demonstration at Times Square

Today was a historic day for the movement in solidarity with Palestine. In dozens of cities and towns across the country, tens of thousands took to the streets to support the Palestinian people's just struggle for liberation with less than 24 hours notice.

While the government that speaks in our name signs the checks that pay for [neocolonialism’s] massacres, the impressive scale of these emergency actions made it clear that the people stand with Palestine. The ANSWER Coalition is proud to have joined with other organizations in helping to organize and initiate many of these actions. And this struggle is just beginning — mobilizations are continuing nationwide.

Washington, D.C.

Los Angeles, California

San Francisco, California

The unrelenting oppression, murder, torture and occupation carried out by the [neocolonial] apartheid régime has precipitated a counter-offensive by Palestinian resistance forces. The [neocolonial] war machine, and its attendant systems of oppression, are bought and paid for by U.S. [neo]imperialism. U.S. tax dollars fund the grinding oppression of the Palestinian people to the tune of $4 billion each year.

Many of the actions today were slandered and vilified by politicians who shamefully stand with the apartheid government in [the Middle East]. Protesters refused to be silenced and proudly took to the streets. We know that we are on the right side of history -- and those who stand with a racist regime that systematically and horrifically violates fundamental rights are on the wrong side.

The nationwide protests demanded the U.S. immediately end all aid to [the neocolony]. The actions also raised demands for the freedom of Palestinian political prisoners and an end to the blockade of Gaza. As [the apartheid government] pledges to wage a war of annihilation and the Palestinian people remain steadfast in their determination to resist, this movement will continue to take to the streets until Palestine is free!

Tampa, Florida

Providence, Rhode Island

Albuquerque, New Mexico

Please make an urgently needed donation to support solidarity work with Palestine in this pivotal moment

Upcoming demonstrations

Cleveland, OH
Monday, October 9
5:30 p.m.
Market Square on Lorain & W 25th
Sponsored by: Party For Socialism and Liberation - Northeast Ohio, The Palestinian Youth Movement, Al-Awda - The Palestinian Right to Return Coalition

Minneapolis, MN
Monday, October 9
6:00 p.m.
Senator Klobuchar's office @ 1200 S Washington Ave Minneapolis
Sponsored by: Anti-War Committee

Albany, NY
Monday, October 9
4:00 p.m.
Corner of Wolf Road and Central Ave
Sponsored by: Grannies for Peace

New York City, NY
Monday, October 9
2:00 p.m.
Zionist embassy (800 2nd Ave.)
Sponsored by: Within Our Lifetime, Samidoun, CUNY School of Law Students for Justice in Palestine, Decolonize This Place, Existence Is Resistance, CUNY for Palestine

Ormond Beach, FL
Monday, October 9
4:00 p.m.
SE corner of Granada & Beach
Sponsored by: Daytona Workers' League 

New Haven, CT
Monday, October 9
3:00 p.m.
New Haven City Hall (165 Church Street)
Sponsored by: Connecticut Democratic Socialists of America; Yalies for Palestine; Semilla Collective; Greater New Haven Peace Council; Wesleyan Students for Justice in Palestine; and the Party for Socialism and Liberation

Albany, NY
Tuesday, October 10
4:00 p.m.
Townsend Park
Sponsored by: Palestinian Rights Committee, ANSWER Coalition

Des Moines, IA
Tuesday, October 10
6:30 p.m.
Cowles Commons (221 Walnut Street)
Sponsored by: Party for Socialism and Liberation - Iowa

Manchester, NH
Wednesday, October 11
7:00 p.m.
Senator Jeanne Shaheen's office (1000 Elm Street)
Sponsored by: PSL Southern NH and ANSWER Southern NH

Indianapolis, IN
Thursday, October 12
5:30 p.m.
Monument Circle
Sponsored by: Students for Justice in Palestine - Butler University, ANSWER Indiana, Jewish Voice for Peace - Indiana, Party for Socialism and Liberation - Indianapolis

Add a protest near you to our national listing

Please make an urgently needed donation to support solidarity work with Palestine in this pivotal moment

(From an email by the ANSWER coalition. Emphasis original.)

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[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Resistance is justified by all means? So raping and murdering German citizens and kidnapping kids is justified now?

Resistance to oppression is always justified

They were specifically asking whether those acts were justified under the umbrella of "by all means" and you said how resistance to oppression is "always justified".

You might want to rephrase that if your intention was something other than justify rape as a form of resistance.

[-] spiderplant@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

As long as there is oppressed peoples there will be injustices, both for the oppressed and for anyone unlucky enough to be caught in the inevitable lash out.

You will never get me to condem oppressed peoples and I will always side with oppressed peoples against fascist states.

If you are not antifascist then what are you?

There were two 'Reigns of Terror,' if we would but remember it and consider it; the one wrought murder in hot passion, the other in heartless cold blood; the one lasted mere months, the other had lasted a thousand years; the one inflicted death upon ten thousand persons, the other upon a hundred millions; but our shudders are all for the 'horrors' of the minor Terror, the momentary Terror, so to speak; whereas, what is the horror of swift death by the axe, compared with lifelong death from hunger, cold, insult, cruelty, and heart-break?

What is swift death by lightning compared with death by slow fire at the stake? A city cemetery could contain the coffins filled by that brief Terror which we have all been so diligently taught to shiver at and mourn over; but all France could hardly contain the coffins filled by that older and real Terror--that unspeakably bitter and awful Terror which none of us has been taught to see in its vastness or pity as it deserves.

Mark Twain

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

You will never get me to condem oppressed peoples

We're condemning them raping people. Can you not even get yourself to condemn that?

[-] spiderplant@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Did you even read the Mark Twain piece?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt, even when it seems like you can't get yourself to condemn straight up rape.

[-] spiderplant@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Rape as an act by itself is obviously morally wrong and should be condemned but it did not happen in a vacuum.

Let's flip it, Jewish people, disabled people and gays faced terrible oppression under the Nazis. Any violence they or others had done in resistance to that oppression shouldn't be condemned. I'd like to think you wouldn't argue with me on this point.

Now flip it back, Palestinians are facing a powerful fascist state that dehumanises them and seeks to eradicate them. Any violence they do in resistance to that oppression should not be condemned.

Why do you see the two differently?

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not seeing rape differently here. Rape is something I would immediately and without scruples or excuses condemn no matter who does it. It really is that simple. No Mark Twain quotes needed there.

[-] spiderplant@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

My point is if you don't support oppressed peoples because you don't feel comfortable with the types of violence they are lashing out with in the face of an existential threat, then your support was superficial.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not supporting rape no matter what the case, is the point. I don't think it's ever justified.

[-] spiderplant@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Look I'll spell it out.

Bad actions are bad.

Oppressed people doing bad actions is bad.

Supporting oppressed peoples struggle no matter what is good because the alternative is being a fascist or a fascist apologist.

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