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this post was submitted on 09 Jul 2023
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I think people are justified in having strong emotions on this topic. A good amount of us just came from Reddit, only to waltz right into what feels like another corporate power play. You install smoke detectors before you have a house fire, not during it.
Many of us have been burned by Meta and purposefully choose these more obscure communities, like Lemmy, to stay far away from them. Meta, after all, has waged a worldwide assault on democracy. Meta has aided literal genocide in at least one country. Meta has run undisclosed psychological experiments to see if it could alter the mood of its users and make them depressed, without regard for if children were among the swath of people.
A lot of people are old enough to remember similar takeovers of standards and open protocols, which is why XMPP comes up so often in these discussions. All it takes is one big player with God-levels of money in order to usurp a standard. Google’s done it twice now, for instance. First with XMPP and again with RCS.
Meta deserves zero benefit of doubt. They’ve always been a bad actor and parasite. I don’t buy the conspiracy theory that admins are being paid by Meta. That does seem hysterical.
The most likely reason I’ve heard for Threads embracing ActivityPub (eventually) is to circumvent EU regulations. In which case we shouldn’t be fine with being a pawn and should resist aiding an objectively harmful company from avoiding due regulation.
I understand why people have strong opinions on the matter. That's fine.
However, issuing threats and ultimatums to Lemmy instance admins when 1) nothing has even happened yet, 2) we don't know what federation with Meta would even look like, or 3) if/when it will even happen, is pure foolishness.
I think you sum up my thoughts pretty well. I stopped being facebook a long time ago when I realized I was just sitting there refreshing my feed and seeing the same things over hoping for new content. Then I moved to reddit, and honestly now that I look back on it, reddit has changed so much from when I first joined to when I left. New and original post and discussion is all but gone from there. It's all reposts, bot, and people trying to sell something. I hate to say it I kinda see some of the same shit already starting here too. Like I really wanted to come here and just interact with people and see some new things. And I don't know if it's people bots or just the cycle of the internet, but I'm already seeing the same old posts I saw on Reddit already popping up here. So all I can say is don't reddit my lemmy / fediverse. And facebook can just go ahead and fuck off. And people reposting shit from reddit, stop that now, there's no karma here.
I think the reason XMPP comes so much is because every single person read the post in /all, seriously I feel that is the biggest reason xmpp is the example being given instead of whenever microsoft has done it which is a lot more times and at least those we know definitely were done in bad faith because of the court cases as opposed to google abandoning XMPP.
Its fine to hate Meta and its fine to want the instance to be federated, but Im genuinely tired of people having this attitude of whomever isnt completely against federation with meta is either ignorant or dumb, like seriously a lot of people havent given proper thought of how EEE would look like and especially those saying "we need to defederate from anyone that hasnt defederated with meta" as a punitive measure are really tiring.
I probably will change my mastodon account if the instance doesnt defederate or at least make an alt account, but I dont believe some instances not defedarating will bring doom to the fediverse, that is not how this was designed to be. And for people to be so in arms here in lemmy that they are threatening and making all this big statements, well thats plain weird.