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[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Case-to-case, as in, all cases? It's not my fault all commie regimes act like fascist ones, with the only difference being pretending to be scared of money yet using it

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pretty much every communist group has been undermined by the US. Cuba has done pretty well for itself despite not being able to trade almost at all, for example. There has never been a communist nation that has been free to experiment without US intervention. Of course they all fail. (I wonder why the US is so scared of it succeeding if "it's always doomed to fail?")

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

every communist group has been undermined by the US.

And honestly, thank God for that. US and especially CIA have saved perhaps even millions of lives doing that.

Cuba has done pretty well for itself despite not being able to trade almost at all, for example.

Gotta hand it out to Cubans, credit where credit is due. Also Cubans have only genocided a little, though it is an interesting thought experiment to have if Cuba was situated in-land with considerable minorities.

But then we have countries like N.Korea which actively trade with the world thru china yet are shitholes. Or china itself, which was a such a shithole it legitimately had to abandon every part of the economic-portion of communism (but still of course kept the totalitarianism and genocide intrinsic to communism) to make itself stay afloat.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

The CIA destroyed a democracy that was empowering the people partially out of fear of communism and partially because the United Fruit Company (now Chiquita, aka basically the only company that sells all of the bananas) wouldn't have been able to exploit the labor as effectively.

This is only one example of what looks like a very beneficial communist country coming into power and, having almost no ethical issues, being destroyed by the US. This is not a country people point to about communism being evil, obviously. The issue is the only ones that can survive the US intervention need to be much stronger. This almost requires a central dictatorship, and possibly cultural hegemony. I'm not saying these are good things. I'm saying survivorship bias has made you think it's the way things need to be, which isn't true but is useful for capitalists to tell you.

Edit to add: The dictatorship that followed (which the US didn't oppose because it supported their economic interests) committed a genocide of the Mayan people.

[-] SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago

The CIA destroyed a democracy that was empowering the people partially out of fear of communism

Good. Didn't read rest of it.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Of course you didn't, and as such your opinion isn't valid. An opinion made from ignorance isn't one anyone should listen to.

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