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submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Nighed@sffa.community to c/world@lemmy.world

I guess not strictly news - but with all of the vitriol I have seen in discussions on the Israel situation, that have boiled down to arguments over wording, I feel that this take from the BBC is worthy of some discussion.

Mods, feel free to remove if this is not newsy enough.

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[-] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 years ago

I don't think you need to call hamas what they are, a far right fundamentalist extremist terrorist organisation. Their actions speak for themselves.

[-] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago

What they mean as that they could also say Israel is a terrorist state. That’s what some people think. And some people, specially those who have friends or family who have been killed in Palestina, might say that Hamas are defending their people and are not terrorists.
But you and me, citizens without voice, can call them terrorists (that’s what they are) but doing so we are somehow chosing a band in a conflict.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure I'd call Israel a terrorist state, but absolutely an apartheid state.

If you live in Gaza, you really don't have a lot to lose by attacking Israeli non-combatants, because you have no hope, and the Israeli gov't keeps going farther and farther to the right. Gaza looks a lot like the Warsaw ghettos prior to rounding all the Jews up and murdering them. The uprisings in the Warsaw ghetto were punished with the same kind of wildly disproportionate force as we're already seeing Israel use against Gaza.

Hamas and Palestinian militants were, and are, wrong to target and murder non-combatants. And, at the same time, Israel has been doing exactly the same fucking thing for 20-odd years now; from 2008 through 2020, more than 120,000 Palestinians--mostly non-combatants--were wounded or killed by the Israeli military. In that same time period, 6,000 Israelis were wounded or killed by Palestinian militants.

Israel can not claim to be a democracy, because they refuse to give Palestinians a voice in government at all.

As an aside, the parallels between how Israel has treated Palestinians, and how the US has treated Native Americans is uncomfortable.

[-] Celediel@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As an aside, the parallels between how Israel has treated Palestinians, and how the US has treated Native Americans is uncomfortable.

Which is even more ironic when you realise that that's exactly where a certain mustachioed German dictator got his ideas from.

[-] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

IIRC, Hitler originally wanted to ship all the Jews out. Except that no one else wanted them either. Extermination became the "logical" conclusion.

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