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On this chart, where is the line showing babies and children beheading?
Before we just dig in and point fingers, maybe we can get on the same page? Nobody is saying murdering babies is ok, as others pointed out, that has not been substantiated. Assuming we're all against murdering innocent people, the point of the chart/linked article, is to understand the circumstances that make a powder keg for violence.
Think of it this way: pointing out that having a table full of wood shavings and gasoline out in the sun is likely to cause a fire is NOT pro-fire or justifying fire; it's pointing out the conditions that foster the growth of fire because you want less fire to exist in the world.
Considering that I haven't seen any substantiation for those claims, it's properly charted already at 0.
Phew. I'm so glad to hear Hamas draws the line at murdering, raping, kidnapping and using human shields. I was really worried they were the bad guys.
Did we look at the same graph? Can you truly say these attacks caused more suffering? Who murdered more innocent children (considering the demographics of Gaza and the indiscriminate nature of Israels bombings in the past)?
I don't think anyone is innocent here, but if i had to blame someone, it'd be the oppressor, not the opressed.
You legit looked at this graph, ignored ALL of it, and still went "Hamas bad".
Why are you here if you're not going to even try to understand the situation?
Hamas IS bad. They repress secular movements for a free palestine. We shouldn't forget tho, that is the role Israel intends for them.
The truth is rarely so convenient
I always think to myself "No one could possibly believe such blatant propaganda" and then i read comments like these. Why behead them? Why don't you behead the adults? Do you carry a dedicated baby knife for that?
It's not like they'd be innocent without beheading babies... But i guess dehumanizing them like this makes it easier to justify the atrocities that are sure to be commited as a reaction to this.
It kinda makes me wonder how much of the things i assume to be true are the product of propaganda aswell.
They intentionally slaughtered a massive amount of civilians in a blatant act of terrorism. The people that did this don't believe Jews to be worthy of living. True or not anyone who can believe and do these things isn't too far off from being capable of beheading babies.
Yes they did. So did the israely military in Gaza.
I wonder why. Not saying i agree but i understand their anger and frustration. What growing up in an open air prison does to a mf...
What ever helps you justify the indiscriminate violence Israel will be unleashing on the palistinian population. Realisticly there is no way to distinguish between Hamas fighters and civilians. But i guess those are 2nd class civilians anyway, or are Hamas themselves, right?
It's not on the chart. Not only did it not happen prior to the current October 2023 war (as it clearly states in the title of the graph and the post), it didn't happen at all.
What did happen is the overwhelming murder and maiming of innocent civilians who have no way to defend themselves, against one of the most powerful nations on the planet.
You mean the made up babies that everyone who claimed they existed are now backpedaling on?
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/there-is-no-proof-palestinian-fighters-beheaded-babies-the-only-source-is-a-radical-settler/
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/11/israel-hamas-disinformation/
It's not that hard to read fam.
The title of the chart clearly states prior to the Oct 2022 war. So ..
*2023
You are correct, damn typo, thanks!
And here we see one of the rights favorite tactics. Focus on the most lurid horrifying story, usually involving a white woman or child, to demonize and marginalize a group of people while completely ignoring the statistics of whose actually being victimized. You saw it in the Jim crow south with stories of negros raping white women, you saw it in nazi Germany with stories of Jews sacrificing German babies, and now you see it in the defense of Israel.
The battle for hearts and minds.