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West urges Israel to show restraint amid escalation fears (www.politico.eu)

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[-] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The thing is America already tried bombing an idea out of existence twice in Vietnam and Afghanistan and it failed twice. I just don’t see how brutal conflict does anything more then inspire the next generation of extremist. We need to break the cycle of violence.

[-] SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I’m not saying that the desire for Palestinian autonomy is going to be ended. I’m saying that Hamas-the-organization is going to cease to be an effective factor in it. It will be replaced by another organization, or several. I could certainly see another intifada coming out of this.

But you can most certainly bomb (and buy) an idea out of existence. There was a time when there existed a pan-Arab movement. Partly post-colonial, partly anti-Israel, partly Third World-ism in reaction to the Cold War, it tried to unite the Arab world across the borders drawn by the colonialist countries.

It went down in flames due to

Their inability to do the one thing they set as their biggest goal, which was the military conquest of Israel.
US and USSR intelligence operations, diplomatic engagement, and economic and military cooperation
Internal factionalism and personal greed

That’s actually where politicized Islam has its roots - in the defeat of modern, semi-socialist Arab internationalism. Looking back, we would probably have been better off with the pan-Arab movement becoming an entity that could make peace with Israel (like Egypt did) than have political Islam replace what at the end of the day was basic national aspirations in the post-colonial period.

[-] hotdaniel@lemmy.zip -3 points 1 year ago

What a useless statement. There is no way to break the cycle while Hamas exists. You know that.

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