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[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago

Because according to our education system, we're the only country that has a constitution, and we used it to beat the greatest evil: taxing rich people.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago

WITHOUT REPRESENTATION

Where is this narrative of intentionally forgetting that the grievance was specifically over having no say in the fucking matter despite being the ones who actually have to live with the decisions coming from‽ Westminster‽

This narrative is like calling the Haitian revolution an uprising against having to respect property rights!

[-] TheKingBee@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Except you know the Haitian revolution was a slave revolt and the American Revolution was a slave owners revolt, so a little different.

The taxes they had grievances with were mostly for their "defense" against french encroachment... The colonial governments also had problems with the fact that Britain trying to balance peace with the natives didn't plan to expand beyond the Appalachian mountains and they wanted more...

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)
  1. america mostly carried out its own defense in the 7 years war, what Britain was citing as defense costs was their from england regulars fucking it up until American trained units were allowed to defend themselves again, and also

  2. the reason the expansion denial was so unpopular is because the brits sprung that out of nowhere when settlement had already been going on in the region for decades. The american front of the war was defending americans already living in the ohio country from the french and the brits just decided unilaterally to make them leave anyways. Also, that land wasn't given to the natives, it was given to the quebecers who had been trying to kill all the Americans so they could take the land. Britain literally made America pay for defending itself after imposing "victory" conditions that were no different than if they had completely lost the war.

Again, you see that the fucking problem was without representation

You can throw whatever original sin you want at the issue, doesn't change that the revolutionary war happened because the brits fucking refused at every opportunity to listen to the people they were making laws about.

Over and over again the crisis could have been resolved by just giving the colonists any opportunity to feel like they had a say in the decision making and were equal parts of the country they were required to view themselves as a part of.

[-] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The revolution started because the brits made tea cheaper but some colonial merchants got squeezed out. We would all be much better off if they never revolted, and got their independence a little bit later like Canada.

[-] aidan@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

We would all be much better off if they never revolted, and got their independence a little bit later like Canada.

Why??

We'd have a more democratic parliamentary government and banned slavery earlier and without a civil war.

[-] abraxas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

and the American Revolution was a slave owners revolt

Not my half. I get to call John Adams and John Q Adams "my folks". John Adams signed the declaration (we out of the country when the Constitution was signed) and his plan was always to wipe out slavery.

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