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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Near the end of the article they link to a paper about how a virus emerging prior to the 1918 influenza pandemic may have left young healthy adults specifically, more vulnerable than usual because of their childhood exposure to this prior virus. I don't actually understand how that works and the paper is going over my head a bit and is long and detailed. Anyone get how the prior exposure would leave one more vulnerable?

[-] Darukhnarn@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

They argue that people born before 1889 (?) were exposed to a virus similar to the Spanish flu, whereas people born in a timeframe directly thereafter were not. They experienced a different virus that wasn’t as closely related. Thus their antibodies weren’t as prepared.

[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

But they seemed to argue that the cohort born after 1889 were exposed to it as children and that's what made them weaker against the 1918 outbreak, which seems to run counter to received wisdom about immunity.

Maybe I misinterpreted and as you're saying, they were arguing that the cohort born after 1889 weren't exposed and were thus had less immune defence against the 1918 virus. It's just, that's also confusing because I thought the whole thing they were trying to explain was why people who otherwise mightn't be as strongly affected by a novel influenza virus, generally (young healthy adults), seemed in this case to be affected more so than in comparable outbreaks. If people born before 1889 had prior exposure to a similar virus to the then novel, 1918 influenza virus and were thus, a little bit better protected against it, that would manifest in an unusually lower number of older people being as badly stricken not a higher than usual number of young people. Also if the logic follows, it would imply that for young healthy people not to be as affected as they had seemed to be in 1918, or in any case of a novel influenza virus outbreak, they would normally have to have been partially exposed to a similar virus, but that would mean either that every novel influenza virus affected a cohort not usually as badly affected meaning paradoxically that in fact that cohort would seem to usually be that strongly affected by novel viruses, or that somehow coincidentally every such novel influenza virus outbreak before had had a similar preceding outbreak timed to give that cohort time to form antibodies.

[-] Darukhnarn@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

The phylogenetic results, combined with these other lines of evidence, suggest that the high mortality in 1918 among adults aged ∼20 to ∼40 y may have been due primarily to their childhood exposure to a doubly heterosubtypic putative H3N8 virus, which we estimate circulated from ∼1889–1900. All other age groups (except immunologically naive infants) were likely partially protected by childhood exposure to N1 and/or H1-related antigens.

The Spanish flu apparently had the N1 complex present, to which the 20-40y population wasn’t exposed. At least that’s my limited understanding after skimming the paper.

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