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Australia rejects proposal to recognise Aboriginal people in constitution
(www.theguardian.com)
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That is the slogan contracted for brevity. The context is, if you do not know, and none of us do as their is NO detail, then do not give the government a blank cheque. People are rightfully cautious about government and possibly giving it more power.
At NO point has there ever been no detail about this. It is an advisory body to Parliament. When Parliament is making decisions, it can seek advice from this Indigenous-focused body. It is that simple. But by having the Murdoch press and Liberal government shovel this "ohhh but but but there's no detail!" line over and over and over again, people started to believe it. For no fucking reason, since the purpose of the Voice has been clear since day 1.
Did you read the constitutional amendment? The advisory body had no power.
It won't change until Australians learn about, and accept, the real history of their country. Many No voters fundamentally do not understand the simple point you are making about colonisation and sovereignty. To them, Indigenous Australians are just another minority group. People do not understand why they are inherently different and special when we are talking about these issues.
I just learned about the native police the other week. I can't believe that we didn't learn about that shit at school! Honestly our education system is so inadequate that I can hardly blame such No voters.
Wot? Absolutely nothing stoping parliament from listening to the numerous recommendations that would improve the standard of living or life expectancy of indigenous people. Why would you think a few token lines in the constitution will change that?
Because they'll have an official body they'll be dismissing rather than one of many groups, which aren't always unified - it forces nothing, but does give a go-to body that the government will need to take an optical hit to ignore.
The constitutional amendment helps because the deserve recognition, and because it stops the next government disbanding the body.
So there will be just as many people saying the voice doesn't represent them or their country but white folks can feel like everything is fine and dandy. Swell
Would you mind clarifying what you mean? There's a few ways to interpret this.
If you mean that it's not a perfect representation of the views of the indigenous community, that's obviously true, but unavoidable in any representative body. What it does is solicit feedback from the community and effectively pushes that forward as a single, strong voice. This works in the same way that a union brings together workers that are powerless as individuals and small groups, into a single, far more powerful, though not perfectly representative body that's able to campaign for meaningful positive change for all members.
Sounds swell to me.
some injustices are structural
Which a token gesture does absolutely nothing to change...
What's token about forcing the government of the day to take the optical damage from publicly dismissing the guidance of the official body representing indigenous community? Seems it would give them reason to reconsider as well as a great body to consult on how to best prioritise and address the issues facing the community.
Entirely depends on how it's to be structured. Which the public didn't vote on. Done correctly I do agree on the optics of an official body though.
So it'll be good, or ineffective at worst. What's the issue?
Either way, some of us whities just don't feel comfortable determining the future of indigenous people.
That's the point of the Voice though, isn't it - to give a body representing indigenous Australians a say in decisions relating to them.
That's contrasted with the current situation, where the government selects an indigenous affairs minister, then optionally cherrypicks the indigenous representative bodies that support their agenda.
There's nothing in the legislation that prevents the (predominantly white European) government from continuing to cherry pick. We don't need another excuse to be apathetic about indigenous issues.
As I've said, they'll need to take the optical damage.
So as you've said, you're not comfortable determining indigenous Australians' future, but you'll block the change supported by 80% of indigenous Australians, formed at the Uluru statement from the heart it because it isn't good enough for you - how on earth do you rationalise that obvious, massive contradiction?
So every time you buy a coffee you're actively killing a starving child? Struth!
I'm going to need you to join the dots on that one, champ. It'd be great if you explained the massive contradiction in your statements while you're at it.
you absolute donkey.