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Biden Warns Israel Not to Occupy Gaza
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I'm a simple man. I think murder is always bad.
It appears that Israel possibly was aware the attack was going to happen and they allowed it. Regardless, Israel supports Hamas. They need Hamas so they can justify their murder and colonialism. I agree Hamas is bad, but the Zionists have done much more harm. Bibi should not be in office.
I would need much, much more solid proof for this conspiracy theory before believing it.
I don't doubt Israel had some unspecified warnings, but I just think it's much more likely that it was a mixture of a misguided belief that Hamas was more interested in political power than large scale terrorism, an assumption that any attack would just be "regular" rocket attacks like we've seen in the last years, incompetence of Israeli intelligence services, and an over confidence that the fence and Iron Dome would be enough to stop any attack.
Also, Israel doesn't need Hamas. Just look at the West Bank where Hamas isn't in power.
Agree though that Bibi shouldn't be in power.
It's a difficult thing to prove without a whistle blower fairly high up in Israeli intelligence. What does look very suspicious is one of the most advanced intelligence agencies in the world "missed it", and it took one of the most well funded and constantly present in the area militaries 8 hours to respond.
Israel has had a major PR problem as more and more people view Palestinians as people who also deserve to be alive. Letting a terrorist group in that region attack undefended is a way for Israel to play the victim as they respond by taking more land homes and lives.
Is there any evidence that Israel supports hamas?
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Do you know how to use search engines?
That was literally 40+ years ago. Situation was vastly different.
However, Israel should have known that helping to create a radical organization may bring issues in the future. So yes, it’s their mistake.
That's assuming it's a mistake and not the desired outcome. They prop up terrorists, then get to use the excuse of countering terrorism to take over the rest of the territory and commit a genocide.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You need to stop this naïveté and ignorance.
What ignorant and naïveté?
Genuine question... how is killing 1800 people protecting oneself against an attack that killed 1200 people? I would agree that Israel has a right to protect itself from terrorist attacks but I fail to see how killing more people protects anyone. If anything, it's just instigating the terrorists to continue to try and kill more people.
Who is applauding Hamas?
This should be the least controversial take of all time.
You think Hamas won't be in power unless majority of people supports it? They celebrated when Hamas murder those citizens.
Trump took power in the US even though the majority didn't support him.
Hamas is palestines means of fighting back at their oppressors. You can't say they are separate entities, because without Hamas, Palestinians would all be dead by now. Its like saying "I support having meat, but not the killing of animals". And why are you pro Israel? They want to do genocide. If the Israeli people are innocent of their countries crimes, they will overthrow the government.
We're back to the "beheading" propaganda again? What is your source for that?
Bro, listen to anything else besides Israeli propaganda. Most of what they say about Hamas is a flat out lie.
A bunch of 20 year olds raving in the desert are not "the oppressors."
You are just stating your opinion.
The real fascists are netanyahu and his ilk.
Without Hamas, Palestinians would have their own country lol
Hamas is literally the only reason they do not. Hamas only exists because Israel was finally close to talking Abbas into a two state solution, which he had previously always denied.
How do you not know this, at this point?
"Yeah sure, I will stop killing you and give you your own country, all you have to do is lay down all your weapons..."
Bro it's been happening over and over for the last 30 years, with Islamists fighting the peace process: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process
Fact is, Israel is the only country actually trying to create the first ever Palestinian state, and that includes "Palestine"
You can debate opinions all you want but history is history.
Imagine being this fucking stupid that you think Israeli propaganda is true.
Ah yes the most famous Israeli propaganda of all, well-documented historical facts
Imagine unironically believing that. LMAO.
That's literally the history.
You're delusional.
It's really not hard to look any of this up. All you have to do is choose to be correct rather than happy.
Israel committed, is committing, and will continue to commit war crimes, while people like you will support it.
People like you make me sick. 🤢
I don't care what makes you sick
Your certainly don't care about Israel committing war crimes either.
In that I don't believe they're committing war crimes, sure
It never, ever works that way. Seriously, name one time when a government was overthrown by its own citizens for committing atrocities against foreigners.
I didn't say it was common, or easy. But that is the bar. Looking the other way on genocide is equivalent to doing it yourself.
I don't believe in setting bars people are demonstrably unable to reach. You're basically asking people to start a civil war to protect strangers they'll never meet, knowing the outcome of such a war is far from certain. Even if you win, the damage to your country could be catastrophic, and the odds of ending up with new leaders who are at least as bad as the old ones are pretty high.
Yes, you should start a civil war to prevent your country doing genocide. Because the alternative is genocide. What exactly is complicated about this?
You're not listening to what I'm saying.
Also, why are you on the internet and not out overthrowing a genocidal government right now? Shame on you!
I am listening to what you're saying, you're making excuses for Americans who don't care enough to stop a genocide happening on their dime.
What do you think the most effective way is for an American to try to prevent this genocide? Your whataboutism isn't wholly wrong, but I don't know what I'm supposed to do beyond writing to my senators demanding that they kill the funding. So, what is your answer?
What makes you think I'm talking about Americans in particular? And when did you go from "people are obligated to stage a coup" to "people should write their senators?" I fail to see the so-called whataboutism you're accusing me of, and you sure seem to have a hard time deciding what you're even talking about.
Israelis are obliged to stage a coup. Maybe Americans are too, along with all of the countries funding Israeli genocide.
Its whataboutism to say I'm only aloud to be against genocide if I've already staged a coup. Its a completely bullshit deflection.
I shouldn't have taken you in good faith, my apologies. I'll treat you like an insincere troll if you prefer.