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I struggle to think of too many times any country has welcomed all refugees with open arms. Any refugees, from any conflict, fleeing to anywhere.
We should stop making refugees and forcibly displacing people, everyone loses. We already have 108 million forcibly displaced peoples, and 40% are kids globally.
It's gonna get much, much worse thanks to climate change.
For sure. Which is why we need to figure it out now before we use up what resources we have left on making and shipping yet more bombs and tanks. I can't even begin to imagine the carbon footprint of that.
It’s probably near carbon neutral as each dead person removes a lot of carbon load.
Let's not go down the path of quantifying the 'value' of people's lives, it has historically led to bad things.
Quantifying people's carbon footprint isn't quantifying the value of their lives.
And the value of people's lives is quantified all the time. Any time money is spent to save people's lives, the people who fund it are gonna want to know how much it costs and how many lives it's expected to save. If the cost per life saved is too much, the money doesn't get spent. Without doing that kind of calculation, you either spend no money saving lives, you do nothing but try to save lives, or you just throw a random amount of money at the problem and hope it does enough good to be worth it.
It's also not even necessary in the context of comparing the impact of continuing war to advocating peace. Military equipment doesn't have an inherent right to exist or uses once created, and the people we're talking about already exist and deserve a peaceful happy life as much as anyone else. The choice we do have though is around where we spend existing carbon and the damage we cause in pumping into mutual self-destruction.
I am keenly and painfully personally aware, and I don't enjoy participating in that either. I also consider many implementations to have led historically to bad things because it is near impossible to quantify without some truly horrible and ham-fisted reductionism.
Despite what the white folks have tried, America has typically been incredibly welcoming to refugees and diasporites.
It's actually one of the biggest chips on Israel's shoulder, because while America was never perfect for jews, it was better enough than everywhere else that jews who made it here outright rejected the notion that jews cannot be "safe" without a "homeland."
I mean, sure, but that's a lot easier said than done
So are most complex problems or worthwhile efforts. I'd love a simple working solution just for once too, but no, situations got to be all contextual and nuanced and shit.