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what can third parties do to reduce or eliminate Hamas's hold on Palestine?
I'm all for Palestinian rights, and the constant encroachment of fundamentalist settlements is a war crime that went unpunished for Israel - but Hamas's charter is explicit, there's no middle ground or two state solution, just the destruction of Israel.
So how can third parties help the Palestinians in the one way that would make a significant difference in their QOL and interactions with Israel?
Honest question.
stop funding Israel?
so make Israel an easier target for the many countries that agree with Hamas and think it should be destroyed?
pfft. did you even read the question? How the fuck does that stop Hamas, if anything it would embolden them. How does that help Palestinians wanting a future without a genocidal fuckwit club running their country?
Just helping Israel doesn't help Israeli lives... Sending all that money to Israel is no good when all they do with it is use it for terrorist attacks like the ones they're carrying out right now.
Damn, it's almost like the logic cuts both ways
In no way am I suggesting Israeli crimes be forgotten, or that they're let off the hook. But in this instance Hamas attacked civilians and that's not going to go away, even if you can spin Hamas's actions as retribution.
The thing that sickens me the most was Hamas murdered multiple people who were vociferous and lifelong advocates for a two state solution and wanted compromise. And Hamas has never shown leadership; the people of Palestine deserve better from both directions.
BDS is the peaceful solution.
You can stick your fingers in your ears and call me all the names you want. Smarter people than you or I have already given their opinions. Go look one up since you're clearly not interested in discussion.
Edit: Less than a day later
Israel can also reverse its decision to call a bunch of secular groups "terrorist organizations," follow WHO recommendations, follow UN recommendations, turn food on in Gaza, start shipping water to Gaza, start providing electricity to Gaza, cease gunning down people in Gaza, stop blocking people from Gaza from leaving to Egypt, allow a UN investigatory force into the country to determine whether they were committing war crimes, allow neutral peacekeepers to mediate the violence between them and Gaza, have them accept massive sanctions if they kill even another Palestinian, demand an immediate rollback of all West Bank settlements, remove the ethnonationalist language from their laws, stop discriminating based on religion on their "right to return" policies, extend all rights that they give to Jews to everyone else in the West Bank and Gaza, pay reparations to everyone they have harmed in the West Bank and Gaza, publicly apologize for all extremist language used during and leading up to their terrorist attack on Gaza, military tribunals for all IDF soldiers found attacking unarmed Palestinians, etc.
Hey finally someone who wants to talk actual actions! And I agree with most of your points!
uhhh is this the case? My understanding was the passage from Gaza to Egypt was blocked by Gaza. Hard to find details though, I could be mistaken.
I'm all for Israel being held to the rule of law. I'm also all for Hamas being held to the same structures.
Well if there's just one thing wrong in my wall of text, so be it. Googling around, it looks like Egypt is the group that doesn't want the Rafah crossing opened, because they don't want Palestinians settling permanently in their land. And Israel has been bombing the crossing and the migrants at it.
Concentrating Palestinians who were already in one of the most densely populated areas of the world into what, half their original land mass, is pretty genocidal on its own. Maybe just no longer doing the genocide. They could stop.
You're not going to get any magical solution because Israel is a country founded on stolen land by entitled religious extremists. People always leave that part out when they talk about this situation.
and yet they all believe in their invisible friends and holy books so much.... ironic that.
funny how you're leaving out the near extermination of their people and world recognition of their state, kinda glossing over most of history even. guess you decided to leave those parts out too. It's almost as if both sides are completely full of shit.
Huh.