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I'm dearly hoping, and maybe even optimistic, that Israel will take a lesson moving forwards that, while the violence of two weeks ago was not and can never be justified, the underlying anger and resentment that produced it didn't emerge from nowhere, and Netanyahu did a lot to very directly incite it. Israel needs to show that it will always be welcome towards working with Palestinians that are actually interested in moving towards peace, and actions like settlements in the West Bank and murdering journalists are not productive towards that aim.
The lack of diplomacy is sickening. Both peoples should be able to live in harmony but both sides want to hurt the other. It has to stop and that starts with the government talking to one another.
That last part is the most important. Everyone wants a fight.
The possibility of peace and harmony is completely and totally irrelevant so long as the people demand bloodshed.
Solomon offered to split the child, and awarded custody to the woman willing to give him up. That story has a much different ending when both women would rather the child be divided than allow the other to prevail.
It's stupid to the core. They are fighting a war that serves no purpose. All they know is they have been told not to like the other side for something that happened eons ago.
Yeah you're missing a piece. There is no peace in Palestine, it's not like they "stop fighting" and Israel will stop oppressing them. Israel wants the land, and the Palestinians have nowhere else to go. There is no way out from there.
It's difficult to talk with an organization who's stated purpose is the murder and destruction of your country. Doubly so when they have a proven track record of 15 years of negotiating ceasefires only after they ran out of rockets to use against civilians.
Bottom line, Israel has stated the goal is to completely and permanently disarm Hamas and any other armed group in Gaza. Israelis will not accept any solution that leaves even a possibility for October 7th to repeat itself.
Even a humanitarian ceasefire will be unlikely until after the ground campaign starts.
Israel will accept nothing that might prevent the ethnic cleansing and the stealing of the land you mean. Were you forgetting that part?
No.
Please engage in a civil and open minded manner.
I did. It's not uncivil because you don't like it.
It's dishonest to pretend the other side shares your point of view, thus ignoring their point of view, as if it would not exist.
A bit ironic to do so in a subthread which is all about the two sides should talk to each other.
Maybe it only underlines how hard that is. We here have no stakes in that game and still cannot at least acknowledge other positions.
So we agree it was perfectly civil. Good.