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On decriminalising drugs
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I wouldn't say murdered with words. I've been threatened by multiple people who are on meth. And there are even worse drugs out there which make people irrational
There are some drugs which should never be legalised. Furthermore, stuff like cigerettes are harming other people
My housemate had a serious addiction problem with weed too, and it's hard for him to stay off it if it was more readily available
The tens of thousands of people, if not more who are murdered by their alcoholic partners who would say that alcohol is a lot worse than marijuana.
If you decriminalize even hard drugs it allows people to take it under supervision in places like safe injection sites that also give them access to social services that will help them quit using drugs.
Portugal has had way fewer drug issues since they decriminalized it. Treating it like a medical issue instead of treating it like a criminal issue solves problems instead of creating more problems such as imprisoning people for drug offenses, stealing to pay for drugs.
This obviously costs money which people don't like paying for in their taxes, but a healthy member of a society is a lot cheaper than a drug user costing the rest of us when they end up in an emergency room.
And thats a VERY good point.
Alcohol is decriminalised, and is a SERIOUS issue. Just like Nicotine is. People keep trying to quit, but they can't because smokes and alcohol are available everywhere you turn. Making these things more accessible isn't a solution.
Alcohol should be banned too (our ex housemate was an alcoholic).
This isn't a case of "oh, but weed is less harmful". In fact, I just realised I have 2 housemates who had weed problems. The second one told me explicitly moved from her household because her family all had a serious weed and alcohol problem, and she felt less exposed to it in my house.
People on drugs like ICE here are already treated like a medical problem, and it hasn't helped. At least if its treated as a criminal issue courts can order them to go to rehab.
But yes, I think we'd all be more comfortable if Alcohol was banned too (or strongly controlled)
Yeah they tried banning alcohol... have you ever considered reading history and learning from it?
Making things illegal doesn't make them not available, it crates a black market for them which generates more crime and violence, makes them dangerous to obtain, and makes it so that people addicted to the substances can't get help to get off of them. It is all-around worse.
Alcohol is still banned in some countries.... A world does exist outside US.
Here in Australia, in NT having alcohol readily accessible was a huge disaster. There are laws to heavily restrict it in areas with a drinking problem and they do help. It was literally requested by the communities most affected. No there isn't some weird crime syndicate
And if you speak to social workers, they will tell you having it so easily available isn't a good thing
And the fact that meth is illegal is the main and only reason such a thread is illegal in your mind? ...
Nope. I could give you lots of reasons ranging from car crashes caused by drugs, psychosis caused by many of them, look at NT in Australia where they heavily control alcohol, etc
I've seen people's lives affected by this crap.. and the number of times druggies try to drag others into their addiction by telling them "it's totally safe" is common
And just to further this, some drugs affect others due to second hand smoke.
Lets be real, the main people who want to legalise drugs are doing so because they want weed too be legal. But if you speak to people who have recovered from weed addiction ( I know 2), they'll probably tell you it needs to remain controlled. If you speak to recovering ridiculous alcoholics, they'll tell you having alcohol surrounding them isn't a good thing
We can agree to disagree I guess.
I would like to agree to disagree but your post is as manipulative as it gets! Nobody here wants uncontrolled drugs, just not criminalized aka hunting sick people to a point where they have to refuse any kind of help unless they want to end up in fucking jail. Also, the legilazation of all drugs isn't a matter of legalizing weed, every scientific evidence we have on this entire planet points to the fact that people consume the drugs they prefer no matter if they go to jail for it or not and that you can live a healthy and happy live no matter which one you choose. To deny someone the drug they prefer (be that alcohol, sugar or fucking meth) is as much of a overreach as telling people how/who to fuck and at least in my mind we are past the time of religous states so this shit is outdated af and should immediately be revoked entirely!
Yeah.. Until it affects everyone else. It's not manipulative. I'm telling you my experience.
The Tabacco and Alcohol industry has shown legalising drugs doesn't work. In fact, Tabacco even went Tabacco 2.0, and started marketing vapes as a "safe alternative", and because of that, once again, we're all dealing with assholes now who are literally ARGUING with us that "it's just water vapor"
So yes, agree to disagree.
People that threaten others on drugs also have a tendency to do so off drugs.
Not always.
Some drugs cause mental changes like psychosis too.