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Israel's military tells UN in Gaza: ask Hamas for fuel
(www.reuters.com)
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Most moral army my middle fucking nut. Fully happy to genocide all Palestinians because of the actions of terrorists funded by Israel
A Napoleonic era artillery barrages could flatten Gaza in a couple of weeks. They're clearly not attempting to genocide all Gazans. To believe that requirea the belief that the IDF is the most incompetent military force to ever walk the planet.
They're not attempting to kill them all, but 1.4 million people have been displaced. And they want them to flee northern Gaza, and historically land in these cases is not returned to Palestinians.
That's a fair concern. But this happened in 2008, 2012 and 2014 where mass amounts of Gazan were told to flee certain areas (granted not this massive) and after their ground operations Israel retreated back across the border.
I would argue this is still genocide, just not at a rapid rate:
https://www.oxfam.org.uk/media/press-releases/starvation-as-weapon-of-war-being-used-against-gaza-civilians/
2.2 million people are unable to access a consistent supply of food!
And that's the fault of their government who started a war. In no other conflict, has there been the expectation that in a war between parties A and B, that A feed, clothe and care for the civilians in party Bs territory that party B militarily controls.
And that is the fault of Hamas for not properly preparing for this war they started. They had the initiative, they could have stockpiled the basic goods it's civilians would need. They chose not to.
And Israel. Israel funded Hamas in the past to weaken the peace-seeking PLO. And even now they allow foreign money to reach them. Can't have your boogieman going broke.
Lol gonna need you to cite this one because the PLO has denied every single peace deal Israel has offered, including multiple 2 state solutions
How so? The Oslo accords were called off by Israel. And the failure of peace talks in 2014 was confirmed by the US special envoy to be 100% Israel's fault. Camp David is a matter of debate and nobody really knows what happened in 2008 so I won't comment on those, but by my count that makes 2 times where Israel refused peace.
Nothing in your post is citation, and all of it is made up.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
As for 08
Some light reading:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_process#:~:text=2%20June%202014.-,Abbas'%202014%20peace%20plan,East%20Jerusalem%20as%20Palestine's%20capital.
Lmfao. It was Netenyahu that stopped negotiations when he was elected in 1996.
Also it literally says in the article you sent: "Both sides claim the other dropped follow-up contacts".
The quote you’re using is from the 2010-2011 peace talks. The reason those broke down is as follows:
In regards to Oslo and the 2014 peace talks:
2014:
Oslo: Both Oslo accords were signed, however,
This led to the Camp David Accords where the main issues and points seemed to be the following:
To summarize the 2010-11 peace talks broke down due to Israel not abiding by the terms of the negotiation. The 2014 talks are debated with more blame seeming to be placed on Israel. The Oslo accords were signed but left unresolved and unfollowed by Israel leading to the camp David accords where the main issue seems to be the right of return for the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who were displaced. However, who actually ended the talks is still debated.
While you actually knowing the events is great, your analysis is really flawed by your biases.
Palestinians have nothing to bargain with. Refusing to even recognize Israel's statehood is a non-starter. It's essentially just a giant "fuck off" sign
Source of where Israel funded Hamas?
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/
Only a mistake in hindsight though
Not really, since they kept at it.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
Oh I'm not including Netanyahu's govt in this. They definitely tried to divide and conquer with predictable results.
Mate it's pretty fucking wild to ask when Israel funded Hamas and only then say you don't count the actual Israeli government of most of the last 30 years
That is when Israel 'funded' them. No one has supplied a source of Israel funding Hamas this century.
There's a difference between funding and allowing funds from Qatar and Iran to flow to Gaza
So then why not say that in the prior comment? You just said "I don't count Netanyahu's government" in response to an article about Netanyahu's government
This was the comment:
I've seen no source that shows direct funding of Hamas other than the precursor to Hamas that Israel allowed to build mosques and universities, in the 1980's...
I'm also not sure how the Israelis could have prevented Qatari money getting in
Yes, I know. I have read the thread. I'm talking about your comment in which you said that you don't count Netanyahu's government.
Because Netanyahu's govt used Hamas to split the Palestinians once it became clear that a two state option was not wanted on either side.
That still doesn't mean Israel funded Hamas.
Your source is one retired, self-acclaimed ex-military of Israel who has no proof but just says it is so?
Seriously, do all the claims of Israel funding Hamas go back to this one person?