submitted 1 year ago by DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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I’m looking to go into Usenet / premiumize / real Debrid but I don’t know which ones are reputable. Which ones have you all had luck with or liked? And what was the cost?

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[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Usenet...

No VPN required or threats from RIAA for starters

Always saturates your bandwidth/never slow

Things are available for years, no seeders required

Even the good indexers are free

No need to waste your time, bandwidth and/or space seeding

No need to worry about ratios

The list goes on

Torrents:

Better use a VPN or get dropped by your ISP

No seeders? 1 seeder? Come back tomorrow and you might have your file. Oh sorry, that seeder went offline

Want to find stuff? Better pay for a good indexer...

Oh, while you are paying for the privilege of a good indexer, you better keep your ratio up or they will ban you. You get to pay to supply them with storage and bandwidth. Yay

[-] jonny@social.coop -1 points 1 year ago

@HamSwagwich huh, yeah i guess preference is partly political, where what i'm interested in with p2p is building a different kind of internet that isn't just a bunch of servers owned by someone else, and to me the system being set up so you give back what you take (ie. ratios) is a good one rather than just consuming content as a service, so maybe irreconcilable difference in preference.

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are paying to use a tracker, which is a central server .. So how are you accomplishing that goal? The only way you are getting stuff off P2P is by using a central server to tell you where or how to get it. Torrents are just a bunch of servers owned by someone else... How is that different? Because you are getting smaller chunks from several different servers instead of larger chunks from fewer servers? Seems like you are splitting hairs at that point.

Giving back what you take, that's what paying money to the server is in lieu of.

[-] jonny@social.coop -1 points 1 year ago

@HamSwagwich not sure what you mean re: torrent indexers, you mean trackers? i've never paid, but i have made donation to server costs.

idk how usenet is safer or more private, since you have to download through a server and is subject to subpoena (since unlike trackers they actually do host the files). at best it's the same level of privacy with vpn. free indexers seem like easy honeypots

did a search for a few movies i watched recently and got nothing, so i guess ymmv on finding everything.

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 1 points 1 year ago

No one said anything about privacy, so I'm not sure where you are getting that from.

"Donation" please. Be real. Everyone knows that's a pay to access scheme they are just calling donation. Don't be obtuse. Do you get extra access for "donating?" Then you are paying, no matter what you want to call it.

free indexers seem like easy honeypots

Honey pots for what? Yeah few indexers on torrents definitely are. There would be no point in having one for Usenet. Downloading an NZB file is just telling you where to get the files in which newsgroups. Then you can access any news service of your choice to get it. You clearly don't understand how Usenet works. You pick and choose who you want to connect with. Not so with P2P. You get what you get. Sure, there are blocklists, but they are outdated the minute they are updated.

[-] jonny@social.coop -1 points 1 year ago

@HamSwagwich
Woof, well I was genuinely trying to see the differences but I guess these weirdly aggro responses tell me thats gonna go nowhere. I learned a lil about Usenet, which is cool, happy to be wrong and have that corrected, hopefully u can figure out some way to communicate that might make someone want to help u out with how youre really wrong about the culture and tech of bittorrent too.

[-] HamSwagwich@showeq.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Help me out? I don't need help. I was using BitTorrent before you knew what it was lol. It's just not as good a system as Usenet. If you like it, great keep using it, but don't pretend that it's somehow superior when it is objectively not for the purposes of piracy .

You are the one trying to talk authoritatively about Usenet when you clearly don't understand it. If you take my responses as "aggro" you might want to do some self reflection.