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Near-total internet blackout hits Gaza as Israel ramps up strikes
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Why would you need to do this if your cause and actions are just? What are they trying to hide? I hope more people see this and understand Israel is morally bankrupt.
It is normal to disrupt and jam all communication ahead of an invasion.
IEDs, tactical comms etc.
Yep. They are going in.
Makes it harder for news to spread, documenting warcrimes and genocide, etc
I know, but this would happen whether war crimes were intended or not.
Can nobody here think like a military just for one second and understand that they don't care about spread of information? That information will be leaked after the blackouts are over, nothing can change that. That blackout is purely so that Hamas would lose their communication capabilities. It's a classic proven war tactic and a totally legit one.
You need to do this if your plan is to exterminate the Palestinians and move onto their land for your own purposes.
Not to sound like an invasion apologist, but I’d imagine they want to limit the ability for IEDs to be remotely detonated.
Israel could have broken the back of Hamas by simply helping the Palestinian people develop a bit of infrastructure and economy. If the Palestinians have something worth losing, Hamas has no power. Hamas is as powerful as it is because of Israels policies over the last 20 years.
Policies and direct funding
They've openly bragged about funding Hamas in order to keep the Palestinian population divided and prevent any kind of formal government from forming.
Hamas and Likud/Netanyahu need each other to stay in power. Without them, the people in the region may actually move towards peace.
And Hamas could have built Gazans an OK place to live in if they used the literally billions of dollars of foreign money for investments instead of for weapons and tunnels. Didn't happen either.
With what economy?
Israel is a first world nation with a high performance technocratic economy. What does Palestine have to work with?
We're again talking about what should have been done, and my point is that it's a pointless exercise, but if you really can't see any ways to build a functioning economy with literally billions of free money, then let's continue the exercise: about half of Palestinians used to have permits to work in Israel before Hamas fucked them over by attacking Israel. In the recent years the number of Israeli work permits has been increasing again, unfortunately Hamas decided to fuck them over again. So even if they had a small economy of their own, there was a way to work and bring money to then spend in Gaza.
But I find it really hard to believe you couldn't imagine a dozen things more useful for Gazans than things to wage war against Israel that ultimately only ever made their situation worse.
Another episode of "what should have been done" is that while with humanitarian aid it's not really possible, we never should have sent Gaza any development money without any conditions based on outcomes of their usage. But as with the above, what's done is done.
Ok, well, right now, Israel is a first world nation with a high performance technocratic economy and Palestine is rubble being ground into dust. Israel has the privilege to do better.
I'm not sure what else they're supposed to do. After a terrorist attack like this one, I don't really see any other option that would realistically be accepted by the government and the population other than attempting to wipe out Hamas completely. Israel is risking many lives of Israeli soldiers in order to reduce Palestinian civilian casualties by deciding to do a terribly difficult ground invasion instead of levelling Gaza to rubble, Grozny style. I don't blame them for trying to make the situation at least a bit easier by blocking communication of all things.
are you making the argument that the correct response to a terrorist attack is to genocide the people where the terrorists are based? because that's what Israel is doing right now It doesn't matter that they are Jews and have also suffered a genocide in their past. this is material, here and now, and happening. and you just argued for it.
Israel is a powerful nation with all the options they can imagine on the table. If they can't imagine another option then that's on them.
You say that, but I don't see any other way to remove the Hamas threat than what they're doing. Is your argument just "Israel is all-powerful and they should find a different way even if we don't see any!"?
What? I'm mentioning Grozny. Have you heard about Grozny? If you haven't, maybe I understand how you could interpret my message in that way, though I still don't think it makes sense. In the second Chechen war, this is what Grozny looked like after Russia was finished with it, most likely on false pretenses (putin faking appartment bombings around Russia and blaming it on Chechens). They simply turned it to rubble.
Israel could do this and get away with it just like Russia did, and their reasons for attacking Hamas are more serious than reasons Russians had to attack Chechnya. Instead of doing that they chose to do a ground invasion, which will reduce the loss of civilian lives and infrastructure, despite the fact that it will dramatically increase the casualties on Israeli side.
That is not genocide, that is deciding to avoid genocide in a situation where they could likely get away with it.
@V17 @pleasemakesense @LostMyRedditLogin @Szymon @NOT_RICK @TropicalDingdong That is literally the worst argument I've heard. Considering the Israel is currently bombing the concentration camp that they have kept the Palestinians prisoners in.
They aren't fighting Hamas. They're conducting ethnic cleansing
Then you need to do better. They can use special ops. They can appeal to the Palestinian people. They can revise their foreign policy to not set these situations up in the first place (see the previous 20 years of Israeli policy towards Palestine).
They arent' targeting Hamas, they are targeting any Palestinian with a pulse. Right now, you are acting as an apologist for a genocide and you should seriously reconsider your position. It will not age well.
If they could, they would have already done so.
They're doing that as well, but thinking that this would solve the situation is LOL, LMAO even.
I see we're getting back to "well they should have done xxxx". Israel stopped the occupation of Gaza and let them have free elections to govern themselves. As a result Hamas with a stated goal of destroying Israel won and started doing terrorists attacks on towns around Gaza. So Israel built a wall. So maybe Palestinians can revisit their foreign policy towards Israel (see the previous 20 years of Palestinian policy towards Israel).
Again, if they did that, they would have been levelling Gaza to the ground without risk to their soldiers, they have the resources to do so. They announced in advance that they will do an assault on northern Gaza to give civilians the chance to leave and go south for now, and even if they initially gave them ridiculously short 24 hours, the actual time given was days longer than that. Only, a large part of the civilians were prevented from doing so... Not by the IDF, but by Hamas, wanting to use them as human shields as usual.
Right now, you are acting as an apologist for a monstrous terrorist attack and you should seriously reconsider your position. It will not age well.
If Israel actually commits genocide, I will change my position. So far that does not seem to be the case.
This is a false equivalency. I feel sorry for what has happened to you, but its clear that their is no fixing it. You've warped yourself into a position where you are justifying the genocide of a people.
Meh. I could literally say the same to you. I repeated what you said in an ironic manner, but I was serious about it. But it's not like our argument has any influence on the real world anyway, so we'll see how the situation develops in a year or two.
That is not what I said or meant. You keep misinterpreting my words to fit in your view of "anybody who disagrees with me has to be malicious". That is not how reality works.
You seem to be so convinced by only exposing yourself to completely one-sided views that you cannot even imagine that someone could disagree with you without being evil. You did not respond to most things I said in this discussion and now you're calling me names. You're the one who should "do better", as useless as the phrase is.
It also theoretically would cease some methods of communication between Hamas members.
Also not taking any sides here, just an explanation as to why communications get shut down during military conflicts.
Yeah, I get people are against the invasion, but if they cannot see legitimate and obvious reasons for restricting options of (human or machine) communications, they're either completely ideologically blinded or stupid.
A simple two way radio would counter that, unless the are jamming all RF.
Hiding genocide.
I'm not supporting Israel or anything but denying your enemy the lines of communication is, like, one of the core tenants of warfare.
what would you say the intended purpose of targeting telecom infrastructure would be?
they're all morally bankrupt