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I'm wondering how many of the current commentors actually read the article, lol. Firstly. The title is wrong as he's only challenging ONE group. Students for Justice in Palestine, so that's click bait.
DeSantis is making a claim that the group he's basing this on has claimed solidarity with Hamas, a terrorist organization. Like, should we be letting pro Hamas people just float around collage campuses?
Now, that's what we should be looking at. We should be asking if this is just a racist political stunt. If you look up Students for Justice in Palestine, you'll see articles claiming they have put out messages that are anti Semitic and pro hamas in nature. The chapter at this Florida school has apparently made it abundantly clear they are pro hamas. Professors and pro Jewish groups have written the management at the school and have been writing their representatives to address this issue.
Can you chuds fucking read and think for yourself? Like, yeah I hate DeSantis as much as the next guy but if you just shovel this biased political shit into your brain without a second thought you're not better than any republican who posts hurrr durrr liberals on Facebook.
If you don't take the time to actually look passed the headline, then you have no idea if this is a dickwad with too much power or if this is something else entirely. You don't know if this is a targeted racist effort against students or if these are pro hamas students openly supporting (and potentially financially supporting) Hamas
And just to add, you can be against this decision, saying it's not the government's duty to handle religious and cultural affiliations of students. But at least actually know why you'd be against it, ffs
Edit: further, he's not banning them, he's only deactivating their official status, which means they cannot access school funds or materials for their purposes. They are still free to gather as any group has a right to.
The problem is hypocrisy. If you allow actual Nazi's to walk around with swastikas in public...well this is the same.
That's a very valid argument, yeah
It's not up to the government to decide that. That's the whole point of the first amendment.
This is assuming they don't move past words.
I addressed that
And I'm disagreeing. He's still limiting free speech. I don't have to like what they are saying to realize their speech is still being limited by his actions. Say things we don't like you get your funding cut.
Say bomb on a plane get your freedoms cut. It's not the same
...how are you disagreeing with a point you agreed with? Are you just trying to be an argumentative tool today or something?
It sounded like you were agreeing with the decision. Are you not?
I was criticizing the fact that no one read it and decided to be upset at a headline alone. My point was that there is always more context to a story and context is important. You can't just see a politician or party you don't like do something and be upset, that's just fucking stupid, you have to know WHY you should be upset. What will end up happening is a voter base so fucking stupid they'll elect someone from the other party that ends up doing the same thing, but it's okay because you voted for (D) or for (R), right?
I acknowledge at the bottom of my comment that this isn't the government's business, but then even added that this is a public university and these groups are essentially school sanctioned clubs and can use school assets and potentially money for some things, and that this wasn't a ban, but a deactivation of official club status, meaning they can't use those assets or funds to support materially hamas (not that there were accusations of using school funds for hamas, just that it was technically POSSIBLE)
Even more context, suddenly things aren't so black and white.
I kind of agree with the groups deactivation, however DeSantis being the one to do it is problematic, he allowed Nazis at his rally and even retweeted Nazi propaganda at one point. So this puts him at a position of being by a hypocrite and racist. While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the groups deactivation on principle, I don't like that it was done by this person with these views, because this opens up room for him to do other problematic shit related to the current political climate that I don't agree with.
I also think the issue is problematic because it was a government setting itself into religious matters. That's a bit troubling to me, and yet it was an official religious group in a public university
Again, not so black and white. I KIND of agree with the deactivation on principle, but I actually disagree with the government doing it, and I disagree witb DeSantis using his position of power to push an agenda.
I think many people here see "DESANTIS DID A THING!" and just lose their fucking mind. That's fucking stupid. Everything has layers and context and many points of view. Do I think "DESANTIS DID A THING" warrants outrage? Yes, we absolutely, but I think it shouldn't be the full stop when forming an opinion.
Fair enough
They are welcome to say whatever they like, but they are not guaranteed help from the government to actively spread their message.
They aren't banned or even kicked out, they just can't use school resources to advance their organization. They can still gather, they can still speak openly, they can still get their education.
Reading more deeply, this seems reasonable enough. I've seen a lot of conservatives equating "don't kill innocent Palestinians" with "Hamas supporter", but in this specific case they went out of their way to mention there's room for that but not room for "Hamas is our movement".
The world seems to have broken when there are obviously bad guys on both sides of the conflict...
When did they say this? Also when his ass was quiet when literal Nazis paraded around, he can stay quiet now
I addressed that in a lower comment, yeah
Do you believe pro-IDF groups should be allowed on campuses despite the fact that they are genocidal collaborators?
No one is being banned from campus, and as long as the group isn't just a generic Jewish group, as long as they have come out in support of the actions of Isreals military, then yes I would agree with a deactivation