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"Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused."

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[-] snek@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel is going to try it's best

News: Israel only catches or kills a dozen Hamas fighters but kills 8k citizen civilians with over 1k children under the rubble.

Bullshit.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago
  • Israel has killed dozens of Hamas leaders, but way more fighters. There's no way to know exactly how many, since Hamas doesn't even pretend to put out numbers that separate civilians from combatants.
  • The 8k number also comes from Hamas, the same people who said that 500 people died in the hospital explosion (and blamed it on Israel). Go see the estimates literally anybody else made. All of these numbers come from Hamas.
  • That 8k number also includes all deaths, not just at the hands of Israel, but at the hands of PIJ and Hamas themselves. Hundreds of their rockets have landed in Gaza, and they've been known to execute their own. They really love to blame Israel for these deaths, though—not just in the case of the hospital when they can make up a specific cause, but in the cases you've never heard of where, oh, there's rubble, what caused it, don't worry.

The death of each Palestinian civilian is a tragedy. Hamas provoked the war, Hamas is killing as many of them as anybody. Israel is engaged in remarkably precise targeting of enemy combatants and places an entirely unprecedented effort into warning them when they're about to strike.

This is urban warfare. This is what Hamas called for.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The 8k number is confirmed by many organizations. The whole idea that the number is disputed comes from American politics.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago

It’s amazing that Israel is always the victim, yet never does anything wrong.

[-] Sparlock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The 8k number also comes from Hamas, the same people who said that 500 people died in the hospital explosion (and blamed it on Israel). Go see the estimates literally anybody else made. All of these numbers come from Hamas.

You know this is propaganda right? That number never came from Hamas go find them quoting it as fact, I'll wait.

The number came from an interview with a doctor right after the attack and it was mistranslated on Aljazeera. Other news agencies never fact checked it and ran with the number attributing it to Hamas.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The number of casualities there was 471. 500 is an acceptable estimate.

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

(sorry, I don't know why I never posted this, I have way too many tabs open)

You know this is propaganda right? That number never came from Hamas go find them quoting it as fact, I’ll wait.

Well, let's see, where did the Telegraph get its 8,000 number from?

On Sunday the Hamas-controlled Gaza health ministry claimed the death toll among Palestinians passed 8,000, with most of them women and children.

... gee, I didn't even have to dig one layer deep, the Telegraph itself tells you it's from Hamas. =/

Let's focus on the 500, though, who cites the number as a Hamas claim verified by literally nobody else?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-blast-deaths.html

And who else commented on the number?

the Al-shifa hospital director, who estimated it was half of that.

But Hamas just knew in less than 20 minutes, somehow, that it was 500.

The number came from an interview with a doctor right after the attack and it was mistranslated on Aljazeera.

Does the doctor work for Hamas?

Gee, I wonder how a Hamas employed doctor managed to count 500 dead bodies within 20 minutes. Israel is still trying to tally its dead, but Hamas managed to pronounce 500 people dead just in time to falsely accuse Israel of attacking the hospital on Al Jazeera?

[-] Sparlock@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I thought I blocked your genocide apologizing ass... well that's fixed now.

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