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Norway says Israel response to Hamas attack disproportionate
(www.timesofisrael.com)
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Preface that I have no solutions to offer to the conflict.
But if a school bully takes your lunch one too many times, he's eventually gonna get punched in the face. But in this case, Hamas is too underpowered to be the school bully.
It's more like the mosquito that just won't stop buzzing in your ear even though you are traipsing in his forest. Except this mosquito flies with 2m of his closest brothers and sisters and your response is to burn his forest down.
I don't know what I'm trying to say. Hamas has annoyed Israel one too many times and now is getting an angry, irrational response with tons of collateral damage. Not a calculated response.
Perhaps the only thing I can offer is that the response from Israel isn't all that irrational. Every person can be driven to the point of breaking and lashing out.
Israel has obviously completely had it with Hamas and would rather bear the international consequences of wiping Gaza off the map instead of facing one more rocket across that border. Honestly that is a pretty fucking huge miscalculation for Hamas. Because Israel is a much better international diplomat and the winner gets to write the history book.
When you have two kids on the school yard that are lashing out, the principal comes along and makes sure neither crosses the others path again. That may be how this ends, but I fear the world doesn't care enough about either side to get involved that way.
I think that analogy is backwards here. Israel is the school bully. This has never not been the case, ever since the partition. In the past 75 years Israel has been displacing and killing Palestinian people, restricting freedom of movement, doing settler colonialism and genocide. Hamas’s horrific terror attacks are the result of the material conditions of Palestinian people deteriorating. The more Israel pushes them into a corner, the more extremism will look that a real choice to them.
Israel keeps taking Palestinian lunches, but much of the western world doesn’t care because they are Israel’s allies. Then the western world hears about hamas attacks and gives israel more money and weapons, continuing the cycle.
lol 1948? When all their neighbours attcked them? And the three wars after that?
Yeah in 1948 when they started their genocide. Why do you think their neighbors started attacking them? Do you really think that it has nothing to do with the borders drawn up by the British, which forced an apartheid state onto the Palestinians?
They started the genocide by beeing attacked? Drawn by the UN and all arab states voted on it, but didnt like the result.
Huh kinda weird how all of the people who would ultimately be affected by this new theocratic ethnostate voted against it huh? Did you ever stop to think that that is?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
Western powers created a state that they had no business creating, against the wishes of the local population. When the locals fought back, a war broke out and Israel used the opportunity to take 60% of the land that was a part of the agreed Arab state as well as numerous zones that they were supposed to be sharing. That ended up displacing almost a million Palestinians.
A perfect analogy to this conflict is if someone ran into your home, said they owned 50% of your house, then when you fight back they throw you in the bathroom and keep even more of it. Ever since you get less and less. All the while the western imperial core supports them.
I mostly agree with your assessment. I don't think anybody is going to intervene militarily. The world's just not that interested.
We might see some economic embargos for humanitarian reasons kind of like the South African history, but that's going to be a long time in the future. It's going to require a huge PR campaign, and political goodwill to erode.