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Hamas blocks foreign nationals from leaving Gaza
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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"Israel blocks anyone and anything from going into or out of Gaza."
You know Gaza has border with Egypt? That's not possible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_border
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphi_Route
Tl;Dr: Europe, Egypt and Israel all play a part in managing that border. The only party that has zero control over this border is Gaza.
Oh damn, I just looked at a map, and Gaza also borders the ocean. Clearly people and goods can flow freely in/out of Gaza that way also. My mistake.
But what about the Egyptian side, is Israel in your opinion blocking that too?
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-bombs-southern-gaza
Rafah is directly opposite the Egyptian border.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/egypt-s-hospitals-are-ready-to-treat-injured-gazans-but-the-border-is-closed/ar-AA1jasz8
So no, Israel isn't blocking that
Try crossing a bridge as a bomb lands on it.
Have they bombed the bridge crossing?
Yes.
Are there articles about that? Because them bombing the border crossing would obviously be a clear thing of them causing the border to be partly blocked.
Yes.
I absolutely agree.
Can I see?
https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-gaza-israel-war-hamas-foreigners-e04be08cc81286f87c21450a4c88886a
I'm not sure what part you meant since the article talks about how they can't flee not because of the bombing but because the border is closed by Egypt
The border isn't closed. Refugees have been crossing for days.
Your article just said people can't get over because of Egypt
My article said the crossing was being bombed a week ago, which you disputed.
Gaza residents have been crossing the border for the last three days.
I thought your claim was that they're not crossing because of the bombing, but in the article you linked they're saying they're still trying to cross and the the reason they're unable to is Egypt.
My claim was that they were being bombed at the crossing, which was killing people.
But the whole discussion is about who is blocking Gaza, Israel alone or Israel and Egypt
Bombing the crossing prevents crossings
Not per the article you posted and even the most recent news that are about how almost nobody can cross because Egypt isn't letting them through. They're trying, even with the bombing, but very very few are being let through. And that's according to the people trying to cross.
The policy of the Netanhayu government is genocide and the events at the crossing are consistent with that policy.
How is that relevant to who is blocking the pass?
No. Egypt is blocking that. Egypt is paid inordinate amounts of money by the US to do so.
So it's not just Israel
No it isn't. Does it have to be? Do you think the Israeli government takes a neutral position on the Rafah border crossing? Israel is the primary prosecutor of this genocide. They are assisted and enabled largely by the US, which also dictates (client state) Egypt's policies in this regard.
See first comment of this comment chain
Egypt stopped allowing Palestinians to cross when refugee members of the Muslim Brotherhood (intimately tied to Hamas, and from which Hamas is an offshoot) co-opted the 2011 protests to seize control of the country.
Imagine how Egypt would look if their pro-democracy, pro-socialist revolution wasn't fucked by Hamas the same way Gaza has been.
The military runs Egypt, and they do what the US wants, which aligns with what Israel wants.
Lol everyone must kneel before the Great Satan
Jesus you guys are fuckin insane.
Imagine pretending the US doesn't wield influence. I wonder if you also pretend that Russia determines US electoral outcomes, or that Iran keeps shitting our pants in the middle east.
The US definitely has influence. For instance, it flexed that influence to get Egypt to allow aid trucks through, and contribute aid of their own.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-egypt-commit-significant-acceleration-aid-gaza-2023-10-29/#:~:text=WASHINGTON%2C%20Oct%2029%20(Reuters),Sunday%2C%20the%20White%20House%20said.
No. They don't have access to their sea borders. They get shot if they go out too far.
Naive