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This is the point.
The location.
In question.
Did not.
Properly label.
The contents.
This will be a shock to some of you, but the practices of a multimillion dollar franchise across many states can in fact have deviation at one location. People’s experience at locations since the event, at locations other than where it occurred, is not a sum guarantee of what happened at the time of this incident and location.
Got any info that points to that? All the articles I've read complain that the standard signage isn't clear enough and that "as much caffeine as dark coffee" is somehow misleading.
I agree. I've been reading the complaints. They do have standard marketing for this, and the articles are attacking that standard marketing, not saying it was missing.
Somehow?
A dark coffee has up to ~40 mg of caffeine.
This was nearly 400.
I would say being off by 10X is pretty fucking misleading.
I get it now. You really don't know much about caffeine or coffee, huh? Keep an open mind and read my reply carefully.
An 8oz Dark Roast coffee is approximately 100mg of caffeine. The same sized light roast coffee is closer to 150mg of caffeine. Panera's smallest dark roast is 214mg of caffeine. ~40mg is a 4oz half-cup of lowish-caffeine coffee.
Have you ever seen or held a 30oz cup in your hand? It's freaking massive. In US terms, it's a QUART. In rest-of-the-world terms, it's almost a liter. Every beverage a fast food joint sells is unhealthy at that size (probably including their local filtered water). But the ONE ingredient that isn't unhealthy in all that is the caffeine! The sugar or sweeteners are the real villains there. 400mg of caffeine for 30oz is simply not excessive. Is it a good amount? Sure. It's about 2/3 as strong as coffee. You shouldn't treat it as a caffeine-free beverage. Obviously.
Per Panera's own nutritional info, this 30oz caffeinated lemonade has about the same total caffeine as a large 20oz hot coffee (which is TINY for a large in the US, but you get free refills as Panera). You're comparing a 30oz caffeinated lemonade to a 4oz half-cup of lower-caffeine coffee. But as I said, I think it's ignorance and not bad faith.
So hopefully I've just educated you.