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Do you support sustainability, social responsibility, tech ethics, or trust and safety? Congratulations, you’re an enemy of progress. That’s according to the venture capitalist Marc Andreessen.

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[-] MrHandyMan@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What the hell are you talking about. The nordic countries constantly rate as one of the most economically free countries in the world. Capitalism is everywhere in the nordic countries, but it's also used to support comprehensive welfare state.

And yes, I come from the "happiest country in the world" so I guess I can literally see that we are quite capitalistic.

Edit: it seems that the original comment was edited so my comment looks kinda unnecessary now

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Socialism isn't necessarily about taking away economic freedom, there are versions of market socialism that may be considered economically free. Socialism is ,theoretically , the transition state between capitalism and communism, so capitalists might still exist in a socialist state, but not a communist state where they are completely abolished. Socialism therefore is about disempowering capitalists and empowering workers until one day the workers hold all the power and cast off the capitalist. This can be done in many ways from a revolution to sieze the means of production to a progressive tax that takes away capitalist wealth.

Most modern socialists in the west realize without a large scale crisis the likes of the great depression, the people won't support a revolution. The best they can do is to disempower the capitalists with tactics allowed in the current system. These tactics, trade unionism, welfare states, progressive taxes, nationalization of industries are all in heavy use in the Nordic countries, and imo contribute significantly to their happiness.

Socialism is measured by the power of the workers, not the control of the market.

[-] MrHandyMan@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, I don't disagree with anything you said. The original comment before OP edited it said that the nordic countries don't have capitalism which was something I found highly misinformative.

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I've had so many debates with people who say "socialism is a success, it works in Scandinavia".

And I'm like, when have the Scandinavian and Nordic countries ever been socialist?

[-] Not_mikey@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

Nordic countries are socialist, unless you have a very narrow view of socialism in that it's basically a synonym for communism. Socialism is the transition state between capitalism and communism, and therefore exists on a large spectrum. On one end of the spectrum is pure capitalism where capitalists have complete control and autonomy over production, and on the other end is pure communism where workers have complete control over production. Socialism stands ambiguously on the communist end of the spectrum, but theirs a large gray area. Government policies and institutions like progressive taxes, trade unions, welfare states, regulations and nationalized industries serve to empower workers and move the system towards the communist side of the spectrum into the socialist territory.

[-] Jackthelad@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

No, they're social democratic, which is not the same as socialist.

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