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Hamas has a leader in a tunnel under a refugee camp. You can 1) go into the tunnel and kill the Hamas fighters, possibly losing IDF soilders along the way, or 2) you can bomb the fuck out of the civilian houses on top of the tunnel and hope that collapses the tunnel and kills the leader, killing hundreds of civilians. A righteous country, an explicitly religious country who answers to god, would choose to sacrifice it's soilders over sacrificing innocent lives. Israel instead decided to commit a war crime. And then after being called out by the international community, did the same thing the next day.
Since you like asking questions, maybe you can answer one. Please explain how cutting off food and water for 2.1 million people is a legitimate military tactic and not just the war crime of collective punishment?
Sacrifice your soldiers today for potential enemy soldiers in the future, while you're at war and under attack by said enemy? Great plan.
You're suggesting Israel should have to keep open supply lines open for enemy forces. Embargoing and cutting off your supplies from a hostile force is pretty standard when it comes to warfare. What's different here is that said enemy is totally dependent on Israel for their basic necessities, and they attacked them anyway. The results were predictable and tragic, and Israel is being portrayed as villainous for denying those who are actively trying to kill them its resources. This isn't a mediaeval siege, Gaza can still get essential supplies from Egypt via Rafah, as they have been.
My plan is to comply with international humanitarian law. It is a great plan. Its an awesome fucking plan in fact.
And here you acknowledge the cage.
2.1 million Palestinians are a hostile force? Also its literally a requirement of international humanitiarian law
Your literally defending war crimes buddy. Maybe take a look in the mirror.
The territory of Gaza is at war with Israel. That means the people in these territories are at war with each other. And territories at war, war with each other collectively. Government-sponsored violence against another government subjects the entire territory they control to violence. That's the way war works.
Israel is allowing humanitarian aid into Gaza.
You literally asked me to defend it!
I am sorry but this humanitarian aid is extremely insufficient, plenty of people can't access it, there are no pauses of fighting, they are indiscriminately killing people. Israel doesn't really care about the civilian suffering and deaths and they are proving it every day.
What Israel is doing with Gaza is horrific and eerily resembles what the Jewish people went through during the Holocaust, just this time they are the aggressor. You know Gaza is like an open air concentration camp where people are starved and killed, forced to live in makeshift tents and dehumanized by their oppressor. Shame that you haven't learnt your lesson!
And perhaps you should also self reflect on your morality and perhaps check your karma
The increase in humanitarian aid just started.
That they are providing it at all is pretty incredible as far as warfare goes. Could you imagine if the world criticized the US for not sending humanitarian aid to Nazi Germany while they were still belligerent to them, before they unconditionally surrendered, and then after providing some, the world criticized them for not sending enough?
Gaza has been so thoroughly defeated that they are dependent on Israel for the most basic necessities, yet refuse to surrender, choosing instead to escalate attacks. This is very strange warfare, historically the consequences for refusing to pacify would have been far more dire than what Israel has done, they have shown great restraint so far. If they played by the same rules as Hamas there would be no Palestine.
They are at war after all.
Indiscriminate rocket attacks are more of a Palestinian thing. According to Israel they are hitting valid military targets that are often placed by Hamas among civilians with relatively high accuracy. I'd like a citation if you have credible evidence from an unbiased source that their attacks are indiscriminate, please.
It's almost like there are consequences to constant guerilla attacks then provoking a war one cannot win against a nation one is entirely dependent upon for necessities, which possesses a superior military force. I guess the inevitable and predictable consequences of the war they provoked are Israel's fault.
Yeah it's just like that, remember when the Jews instigated guerilla attacks against Germans for over a century, refused to negotiate for peace, declared multiple failed wars on them aided by Germany's neighboring states, then slaughtered thousands of German civilians in a guerilla attack? Wait, actually, none of that happened.
The only similarity is that there are people in walled enclaves. Jews were peaceful members of German society and were put in concentration camps because of conspiracy theories, racism, and scapegoating. Usually the only way out was death. Gazans are behind a wall because of belligerence, they are literally killing Israeli civilians and refuse to stop. They can leave through the Raffah gate when it's open and no one is systemically eradicating them, (were that Israel's goal they certainly have the means but have chosen not to because they are not fucking Nazis.) I find your comparison distasteful and reductionist, an attempt to make Jews as bad as the most reviled of historical villains, when they are simply trying everything they can to achieve safety from a neighbor who, like the Nazis, openly wants to genocide them.
I don't know about your server, but my karma is quite high on mine, not that it matters. I'm not going to pick up a pitchfork and simp for Hamas simply because that's popular with the online mob. Shame on you for tacitly defending them and suggesting I should do the same.
Prior to 7th of October there were 165K injured Palestinians vs 6K Israelian, and that's only since 2008. Casualties are also 20 times higher on the Palestinian side and a lot of those are women and children. Source: https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
So please tell me again about the restraint of the IDF, because these numbers seem to contradict your words! And just to make things even clearer, the military wing of Hamas is 30K.
And I will leave this here as you kind of make Israel the only victim here, https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/other-mass-displacement-while-eyes-are-gaza-settlers-advance-west-bank-herders-enhe
Israel's casualties are lower for a number of reasons that I probably don't have to list, pointing this out is not exactly compelling evidence that their attacks are indiscriminate (i.e., done at random or without careful judgment.) You're making a claim about intent regarding targeting. Are they firing these rockets randomly at populated areas like Hamas does, or does the IDF carefully choose targets and tell the media specifically what the intended military target was? 🤔
You're ignoring the military capability and tactics they aren't using. Israel has nukes, they could level every building in Gaza without warning people at all, they could just roll in and shoot everybody, they could use biological weapons, they could have forcibly closed the Rafah gate and kept food and water out until people starved to death, they could start a big fire, you know, actual genocide stuff, actual war crimes. They don't. They get accused of it anyway though.
Israel really needs to keep its people in check and prosecute their civilians and soldiers who are breaking the law in the west bank. They need security there, that is some bullshit, I agree.
Ah could you please then tell me how many of those 9000+ casualties are legitimate military targets, how many actual Hamas fighters they killed? And bring proof that all of those 10.000+ strikes have been indeed targeting military infrastructure. You are questioning Hamas propaganda but not questioning the Israeli propaganda. Don't you realise the hypocrisy in this situation.
And a couple of days ago I read an article that IDF leveled or severely damaged more than 4% of all residential buildings. That's the homes of 100k residents. How is this justified? Fact is you as a person has never experienced anything even remotely similar to what Gaza residents are forced to experience every day, you can't even fathom how it is to be on the other side of the fence. And you still defend them with all your wrongdoings. With this you are only proving how much brainwashed you are with your country's propaganda.
Good job referring to Palestinian civilians as "potential enemy soldiers". It's not technically dehumanizing but it really does show how you objectify them to justify killing them.
Pardon me for acknowledging reality.
The majority of Palestinians support terrorism/guerilla resistance against Israel, and are unwilling to accept either a 2-state solution or a 1-state solution where Jews have equal rights. Not just potential, likely enemy soldiers.
(most of whom want to deny Israel a right to exist, oppress and/or drive the Jews into the sea.)