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submitted 1 year ago by Haus@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world

Bubba Copeland shot himself in front of police on Friday, days after he begged 1819 News not to expose his private life.

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[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While I agree that suicide should never ever ever be encouraged. I don’t think it’s necessarily a mental illness. This person was going to or already had lost everything they had ever known and worked for. They would have been a pariah in their town. They very likely would have been disowned by family and friends. It’s a little late in life to be starting all over somewhere new. I don’t think it’s crazy to contemplate unconventional exit strategies in that case.

Source: I am from small rural town Alabama.

I also think that we should remove the negative stigma behind suicide. After all, even bringing it up with a mental health professional can and will get you essentially arrested for 48 to 72 hours which discourages people from seeking help.

[-] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

Also, can we just acknowledge how fucked up it is that this person felt they had no other way to deal with the situation, all because a group of people cared what clothes he wore in private.

I get that he decided to be part of this group, but even still... No one deserves that.

[-] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 year ago

He could have moved to Oregon and a small town would have embraced him. sigh

[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Where as I agree with you. It’s also funny that you say that. I have some friends that moved from Oregon to Alabama because it’s so cheap to live here.

[-] wavebeam@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Ah, right. Oregon. Known for our high cost of living…

[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Also, I admit that I don’t know. That was just the reason they gave for moving here. For all I know they are hiding from a murder. Heh

[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Well, I think part of it was where they lived too. They were living in hood river.

[-] odelik@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago

I hope they had good flood insurance

[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I asked he said they lived right on the Columbia river.

[-] figaro@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hey! One quick correction - I'm currently a therapy student. You are correct that if a therapist thinks you are in imminent danger of suicide, you can be detained for a period of time for your own safety. But we are taught only to do that if the danger is imminent. If you are just depressed and occasionally have suicidal ideation, but likely will not act on it immediately, a good therapist would not have you detained. That would be counterproductive.

Definitely just be super blunt and honest with your therapist. They are trained to handle things appropriately. You might hear about shitty therapists occasionally, but most of us are really well trained and really want the best for people.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

"Definitely just be super blunt and honest with cops. They are trained to handle things appropriately. You might hear about shitty cops occasionally, but most of us are really well trained and really want the best for people."

Who are you even trying to fool...

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago

Therapists aren't cops... 😅

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Small mercies, huh.

Anyways, therapists aren't your friends, kids. You shouldn't trust them just because they're therapists.

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago

Could you explain? I'm legit confused because doctors have the same authority to detain someone on medical/mental grounds. Should you lie to doctors as well?

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What's confusing you?

When I go to doctors at least, it's because of a physical injury. They're not going to detain me and lock me away because my broken leg is a threat to me.

[-] figaro@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago

Doctors have the same authority as therapists to detain people if they believe they are a danger to themselves. I get what you are saying though.

Statistically, depressed people who see mental health professionals have better overall happiness and lower suicidality than people who do not.

I guess I'm kinda sad, which is why I feel defensive about this. I apologize if it came off as abrasive earlier. Lol also I got like 2 hours of sleep last night bc my gf's dog is probably dying and needed to go to the vet. It's been a day.

Could you explain what you are worried about? Like, just because they have the authority to detain you, are you afraid they absolutely will if they have the chance?

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Well then stop fucking replying to me, my man, you have more important things to do.

[-] catboss@feddit.de -4 points 1 year ago

I didn't say suicide always happens, because you are mentally ill. You are twisting my words to suit your argument, maybe unintentionally. There is good reasons why people want to die, e.g. when they suffer from an illness that is only going to cause pain and suffering and want to go on their own terms.

I am not and was never in his head, but I am quite positive he didn't suddenly develop, let's say relatively severe Alzheimer's disease and wanted to die why he still had controll over his life.

And yes, suicide should be allowed in my opinion as well. You should be the one who decides when and how you go. I agree with you insofar.

Though mental health professionals don't admit you against your will, because it is a fun joke to them, but because the vast majority people are mentally ill when they are contemplating suicide. It is not a normal thing to want to die.

I don't know how things are where you live, but in my tiny spot of the world people usually don't get admitted against their will because of suicidal tendencies, but chose to after they talked to a mental health professional. You usually only get admitted against your will here, when e.g. police, firefighters and/or medical services had to talk you down or save you from an attempted suicide attempt. If that is not the case in your small town in rural Alabama, then you should inform yourself as well as possible and try to teach others about a better alternative. Just my two cents on your comment.

[-] MuhammadJesusGaySex@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I apologize if i misunderstood what your comment said it’s late and I’ve had , well, a day. I wasn’t trying to twist your words. So, I do apologize for that.

In my experience getting locked up for talking about suicide is subjective. What is serious to one mental health professional may not be serious to another. So, you never really know if you are crossing a line or not. I’ve always felt like it’s best to just avoid the subject all together. But in my experience it keeps me from building a relationship with the therapist. It says to me that there are things that are ok to talk about and things that are not.

[-] catboss@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

No need to apologize. I assumed it was unintentionally. I sincerely hope things improve in general when it comes to mental health in society and in your life if things are not great.

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