309
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 05 Nov 2023
309 points (96.7% liked)
News
23301 readers
1159 users here now
Welcome to the News community!
Rules:
1. Be civil
Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.
2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.
Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.
3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.
Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.
4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.
Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.
5. Only recent news is allowed.
Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.
6. All posts must be news articles.
No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.
7. No duplicate posts.
If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.
8. Misinformation is prohibited.
Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.
9. No link shorteners.
The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.
10. Don't copy entire article in your post body
For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
This is hypocrisy. Let people smoke whatever they want. We're not living in the fifties, everybody and their mother knows nicotine kills.
What they don't get is that not everybody has a wonderful life and wants to live forever.
There are bans in place for kids, and adults should have the right to decide what they want. Ban flavoured alcohol too then.
Ironically nicotine doesn't kill, bud. Smoking does. I get what you mean but there's no downside to nicotine other than addiction strictly speaking
You know, I don't really care what you smoke, but I care that it's communal. Somebody drinking wine, beer, a white claw, etc a few feet away doesn't immediately negatively impact my existence by depriving me of clean air ... or cause a friend with breathing issues a panic attack.
Plenty of adults "decide" to smoke for kids by smoking with the kids around.
Plenty of adults "decide" to smoke in the entrances of buildings, on busy sidewalks, in an outdoor mall, etc.
Plenty of adults have "decided" to smoke because it's "safe" per some anecdote that they heard about a family member that smoked 3 packs a day and lived to be 90.
It's actually all pretty freaking infuriating. One of the best things that's ever been done is banning smoking inside of most buildings.
At the very least the age should be raised to match alcohol.
We see fewer and fewer of the adults you mention with each passing day.
I recall as a child seeing adults smoking all the time. Now it's a rare occurrence.
Jesus fucking christ, you people...
So the takeaway is that the health warnings are right?
Can you read?
The takeaway is that we don't need further legislation against smoking. His use of the word 'plenty' isn't accurate of reality.
We definitely need laws regulating salt intake, that much will kill you bro.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/style/smoking-cigarettes-comeback.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
That's not just an unsubstantiated "feeling."
"You people" as if you know me.
In any case, the whole point of alcohol being 21 is that by 21 A) you're not talking to that many people who are still in high school/not yet 18 and B) you should be making better decisions.
Which has a net effect of lowering the amount of people that engage in these behaviors, because it doesn't spread as much in high schools.
Now, maybe that doesn't work as well as "we" (society) thinks, but if we still think it's a good idea for alcohol it absolutely should apply to cigarettes and vapes. Vaping was supposed to help people stop smoking, not create a whole new problem.
If you're smoking cigarettes, and you're proud or happy with that decision as an adult, you are an outlier among outliers. I can't say I've ever met someone that smokes cigarettes that hasn't tried to completely quit at least once (with the exception of the guy who believes "they're completely safe" despite all the information to the contrary).
This isn't alcohol where the majority is split between people that happily consume alcohol in small quantities vs a subset of alcoholics. This is a thing where it's universally harmful to the smoker, to the people around them, to the environment (cigarette butts), etc. It's also much more addictive than alcohol and marijuana where people need smoke breaks. It's just a regrettable mess from when society didn't know better.
Cigarette filters are also fucking gross compared to joints, assuming you aren't using weird fancy shit for your joints. Joint filters are rolled up paper and biodegrade rather quickly (technically the whole joint is easily biodegradable). Cigarette butts last forever.
A friend tossed a cigarette butt into our bonfire last weekend and it turned the flames green lolol.
Me. I never even attempted to quit smoking. I know it kills. And I want to be left alone and not harassed by other people as if they're saving my life or something.
It is my choice.
🥱
FYI it has been, on a Federal level (in the US), since 2019. Donald Trump of all people on Earth signed that into law. The legal age to buy cigarettes and to buy alcohol in the US is the same, 21.
Wow, I missed that. Good catch!
In some places it has been raised to match alcohol. NY is an example of that: https://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/tobacco_control/current_policies.htm#:~:text=Article%2013%2DF%20Section%201399%2DCC%20of%20the%20NYS%20Public,under%20the%20age%20of%2021.
Good.
Sorry but it's a witch hunt at this point. And don't get me started about drunk people wanting to grope me every time I go out.
Where I live, every workplace has a designated area where you can smoke. Indoor smoking is forbidden.
The drinking age here is 16, so is buying tobacco. There really aren't that many smokers anymore. Most kids vape or smoke pot.
Also if your friend has asthma, I don't know, stay away from smoking people you see? It can't be that hard.
Also, I started smoking because I was bored. Now I keep smoking because I want to. I've actively stopped kids in my family from starting with it, so I'm not trying to say smoking is ok. Just leave us be.
What a stupid fucking comment lol.
Sure I'm fine with both bans, alcohol not only kills yourself but many others too. The only reason it's not illegal is because it's ingrained in society.
What about the history we learned from when it was illegal?
You... did learn from history, right?
Could you clarify your point? You think flavored cigarettes are just as ingrained as alcohol?
I'm saying we already banned alcohol and it didn't work out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
Ah that's all, thought you were going deeper.