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submitted 1 year ago by Hedup@lemm.ee to c/askscience@lemmy.world

In nuclear chemistry elements beyond Plutonium do not occur in nature and are synthesized artificially. Is it a similar case for Higgs boson too?

If so, how does it give mass to particles if it doesn't exist? Did scientists create Higgs at LHC in 2011 just to make sure our universe exists through some kind of circular causation?

I'm obviously not understanding this properly. Please dispel my misunderstandings with reasonable explanations!

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[-] Deebster@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Higgs boson isn't an atom like plutonium, it's "further down". I think of it in levels:

  • atoms, which are made up of
  • electrons “orbiting” the nucleus, the nucleus being made up of protons and neutrons. In turn, protons and neutrons are made up of
  • quarks

Quarks are a kind of elementary particle called fermions, which are at the same level as bosons (and electrons). Down here it's all weird and quantum but in an oversimplified nutshell, it's not so much that they physically exist as that in the maths* we can treat them as existing which makes it easier to think about.

* of the physics models we use

I'm a computer scientist, not a real scientist, so I stand ready to be corrected by those more knowledgable.

edit: @SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world is more knowledgable and helped me fix this up a bit.

[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The fermions are particles with mass, an electron is already a fundamental fermion and not made up of quarks like protons and neutrons. The fundamental bosons (as far as I know) are particles that "handle" the interactions between other particles for instance gluons enable the strong force, while W and Z Bosons enable the weak force.

I believe the fundamental Higgs boson does occur in nature but likely immediately decays. (if I'm wrong I'd love to know how it actually enables certain interactions in nature)

Also I'm not studying quantum physics so I wouldn't be surprised if someone needs to correct me. :)

Edit: clarified when fundamental fermions/bosons were meant.

[-] rosss@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Small clarification - the fundamental bosons are the ones that handle particle interactions, whilst fundamental fermions make up matter.

It is however possible to have atoms that are fermions or bosons depending on the total number (even or odd) particles that make them up.

[-] Ziglin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yup, should've clarified that I meant fundamental bosons, as any particle with integer spin is considered bosonic, while particles with half integer spin are fermionic, fundamental bosons alone still can't make up matter though and protons/neutrons are fermionic.

[-] Deebster@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's true... kinda makes a mess of my simple model 😅

I'll edit in your correction, thanks.

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