463

The long fight to make Apple's iMessage compatible with all devices has raged with little to show for it. But Google (de facto leader of the charge) and other mobile operators are now leveraging the European Union's Digital Market Act (DMA), according to the Financial Times. The law, which goes into effect in 2024, requires that "gatekeepers" not favor their own systems or limit third parties from interoperating within them. Gatekeepers are any company that meets specific financial and usage qualifications, including Google's parent company Alphabet, Apple, Samsung and others.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 100 points 11 months ago

On the tech side, Android users also get lower-quality photos and videos when they're sent through iMessage.

Android users don’t receive anything at all through iMessage; the whole conversation becomes SMS/MMS. I suppose getting major, relevant tech details is hard for an outlet like Engadget.

[-] sanpo@sopuli.xyz 38 points 11 months ago

I think you're just being pedantic here.

I'm pretty sure they meant when messages are sent using the iMessage app - from the point of view of iPhone user distinction between iMessage protocol and SMS/MMS doesn't matter.

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The app is called Messages. The entire point of the article is to discuss iMessages versus SMS so I absolutely do think it’s important to get the distinction right in this case.

[-] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

But the statement made is not incorrect. I agree that a note that it's because the conversation switches to S/MMS would be handy, but they're not incorrect.

(When photos and videos are sent to an Android user through iMessage), (Android users receive lower-quality photos and videos [via being downgraded to SMS/MMS).

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The statement in the article is literally incorrect. You cannot send a message to an Android user through iMessage. That fact is at the core of the discussion and they got it wrong. It’s not degraded from an iMessage. The conversation is just happening over SMS/MMS, as the Messages app has supported since launch in 2007.

[-] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The surrounding context of that statement is talking about the app, not the protocol. From the Apple user's perspective, they see no difference except for the bubble color.

[-] zeps@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

They do actually, the bubbles are a different color!

[-] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago
[-] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Isn’t the app on Apple devices called Messages? I thought iMessage was the name of their e2ee internet messaging protocol.

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social -5 points 11 months ago

Again, protocols are core to the discussion, and from the user's perspective which protocol they are using is very obvious (which, again, is core to the discussion). This isn't some trivial detail to get wrong. If they author can't carefully distinguish themselves and educate their audience, why are they even writing about it in the first place?

[-] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

You went from being pedantic to straight up disingenuous.

No reasonable person reading that line would think they were talking about the protocol. You picked out one thing you thought you could pick apart, and it makes no sense. When called out on it, you're doubling down.

Move on, man.

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago

When called out on it, you’re doubling down.

I pointed out sloppy, inaccurate writing that hints that the writer maybe doesn't have a good grasp of the subject matter. There's nothing to "call out"; I was pretty clear from the start what I was criticizing.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 27 points 11 months ago

when they're sent through iMessage.

Android users don’t receive anything at all through iMessage

Your whole argument is based on failing to distinguish sending from receiving. You understand those are different things, right?

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So you want "when they're sent [from] iMessage"? I think you're being really pedantic.

[-] SinTacks@programming.dev -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Low quality SMS. There are lots of things Apple could do to improve the experience of texting people without iMessage, lots of things built into the SMS standard that they do t implement.

Edit: wow thought this was commonly known. Basically Apple hasn’t adopted industry standard SMS improvements. There’s a whole campaign to try to get them to. Here’s an article explaining https://www.android.com/get-the-message/

[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

What on earth is “low quality SMS”? And what parts of the SMS communication protocols don’t they implement?

[-] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago
[-] kogasa@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

RCS is not SMS and has nothing to do with the SMS standard.

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social -2 points 11 months ago

Basically Apple hasn’t adopted industry standard SMS improvements. There’s a whole campaign to try to get them to.

This is an advertising campaign to get Apple to adopt Google's proprietary version of RCS, which is not the SMS standard. It is, functionally, Google's own version of iMessage, running Google software on Google servers.

[-] SinTacks@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

This is just false, it’s sent over carrier networks and the carriers decide whose infrastructure to use. Google is one of several options. RCS is an open standard and it is the industry standard for SMS. It’s literally why every other non iphone can send high quality pictures to each other. Apple not adopting it is anti competitive.

[-] kirklennon@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

it’s sent over carrier networks and the carriers decide whose infrastructure to use.

The carriers never bothered to implement RCS; they just outsourced the whole thing to Google.

RCS is an open standard

That nobody uses.

it is the industry standard for SMS.

It's meant as a replacement for SMS. It's not just some new version of SMS that Apple hasn't upgraded to, which is what you were basically saying earlier.

It’s literally why every other non iphone can send high quality pictures to each other.

It's a messaging service used exclusively by Android phones. iPhones all support iMessage; Androids (mostly) all support RCS. All of those iMessages go over Apple's servers; all of those RCS messages go over Google's servers.

For what it's worth, iPhones have supported sending full-quality pictures to everyone over a legitimately open protocol since launch day. It's called email.

Apple not adopting it is anti competitive.

Google's attempts to legally force Apple to adopt its proprietary platform is transparently anticompetitive.

this post was submitted on 08 Nov 2023
463 points (97.5% liked)

Technology

58965 readers
3751 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS