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[-] Spacebar@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

You can appreciate what the actual talent at Tesla and SpaceX have accomplished while still seeing Musk as a horrible person. It's just too bad supporting either company puts money in his pocket.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Yeah musk has very little to do with the accomplishments of Tesla or SpaceX. He provides the money. It’s the incredibly skilled workers of said companies that are making things happen. We can absolutely champion removing musk from every position he holds while pushing forward the ideas that space exploration and EVs are good things.

At the same time, we should push for:

  1. space exploration to be about the search for knowledge and for making a better life for all of humanity based on the resources available in space, instead of building off-planet bunkers for billionaires once their climate change profits run out of steam

  2. EVs to be efficient, affordable to everyone, and generally more environmentally friendly than any fossil fuel vehicle. This will require significant research into battery technology and production processes. Time for car manufacturers to start spending all those profits they have. The strikes are a good start

  3. X/Twitter to fail. No bailouts, no buyouts. Let elon lose the 40 Billion he spent on it. For those that supposedly champion capitalism, this should be a win win in demonstrating what the market does when you are no longer competitive.

[-] crackajack@reddthat.com 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

We can absolutely champion removing musk from every position he holds

The only way to do that is to buy more shares than Elon owns. Let's buy more stocks and usurp him!

[-] Flambo@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For those that supposedly champion capitalism, this should be a win win in demonstrating what the market does when you are no longer competitive.

Yes, absolutely. Unfortunately it's quite traditional only to tolerate markets as long as we're happy with their behavior. The moment a market starts worrying or upsetting us is never "oh man, maybe this 'markets' thing isn't all it's cracked up to be", it's "obviously some regulation or policy is ruining this market, or it would never do this thing i don't like".

So we're stuck with the lose-lose-lose of:

  • keeping markets, their volatility, and all the shit that comes with that

  • giving up the fringe benefit of markets redistributing wealth when they collapse

  • denying anyone a chance to see clearly what it means to trust markets to manage our economy for us.

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