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Netanyahu rejected ceasefire-for-hostages deal in Gaza, sources say
(www.theguardian.com)
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I would call bombing hospitals and refugee camps indiscriminate bombing. Some people are given warnings. Some are not. So perhaps I should clarify that not all of their bombing is indiscriminate. Much is.
Proportional response and efforts to minimse civilian casualties are required under war conventions. This is not happening.
Your point about only one side having the capability to be hugely aggressive onky bolsters my point. Israel is the aggressor in such a situation.
I am not saying Hamas is a good government. Both sides can be terrible. However, Hamas not building bomb shelters does not make it ok for Israel to bomb citizens indiscriminately.
I don't expect the tolls to be equal. I do however take note that when Israel uses aggressive actions by Hamas for justification, that they are in fact the aggressors in the majority of cases with injury or death.
War is horrible. Civilians die. However, Israel's policy seems clearly, with the current and past events, to be genocide. They are trying to eliminate the Palestinian people from land they want.
That seems to be more because you don't know what the word "indiscriminate" means rather than that adjective being an accurate description of Israeli's bombing campaign.
Actually only the second is required. And the second is happening. "Proportional response" is something that can be required by private party treaty as a peacetime control, but it's not part of the rules of war.
Actually it shows the opposite. Israel could have done what it's doing at any point since the last major conflict and ceasefire in 2018. Their lack of aggression and desire for peace kept them from doing so and they only did so once provoked by a frankly disgusting series of acts that forced them to reconsider the viability of peace with Hamas.
That's the opposite of aggression.
To believe this you must believe the IDF is one of the most incompetent military forces on the face of the planet.
Did you even read the definition you linked to. " not discriminating or discerning; lacking in care, judgment, selectivity, etc "
They are bombing hospitals without care that it is a hospital. They are trying to justify it, but that's not the same as being justified or mindful.
Your next point is that Israel by virtue of having firepower greater than Palestine is good by virtue of not already being on a bloody rampage? We don't reward a murderer for eating in the prison canteen without murdering the other inmates. Your argument is absurd.
I said war conventions, you changed the goalposts and said rules of war. That's a sneaky way to try and undermine my point, which is valid.
Also paying lip service to slight reduction in civilian casualties is not the same as prioritizing.
What justification could you possibly have for the annexation of the folan heights and other areas in the west bank that shows Israel seeking a peaceful solution, which the majority of the international community sees as a two state solution. Israel is purposely undermining that effort in contravention of international law for decades.
Whereas before it was a slow genocide, now it is slaughter. It's. Een poutbrf out in this chain already but it's worth pointing out again that over 50% of the Palestinians are under 18.
The lessons of the Holocaust have been lost to history. It's a sad reflection on humanity that the nation state with those that lost the most are the very same that willfully inflicting the horror in others.
Yes and have you been paying attention to this war? They e avoided hitting hospitals that Hamas is operating out of. Every strike is balanced against their generic goal. There are reports from on the ground of them delaying strikes to ensure that the maximum number of civilians can get evacuated. It's very clear they're not indiscriminately bombing. It's very clear they're being selective in where they bomb.
I never claimed "good", you called Israel aggressive. But they're definitely not aggressive. To keep your metaphor going, if the 4' guy keeps trying to rape the 7' guy in the shower and keeps getting knocked in the teeth, the 7' guy isn't "aggressive" for that. Of one day the 4' guy brings a bat and then gets beat up severely that's still on the 4' guy.
Not being sneaky. The conventions on war define the rules of war. They're one and the same. Nothinf sneaky there, just a lack of knowledge on your part.
They've not annexed the Golan Heights that's still disputed between them and the Rump state of Syria, similarly to the territory that's in the middle of the Hezbollah/Lebanon stuff.
Israel pulled out of Gaza seeking a peaceful solution. Gazans and Palestinians mistook their desire for peace as a sign of weakness and have been attacking ever since.
And last I checked Palestinians rejected a two state solution deal that had 99% of the '67 borders, no settlers and land swaps to give Palestinians more land than they had in 1967.
Strange there are so many dead Palestinians each year from Israeli actions if they are not aggressive.
So you think attaching hospitals is wrong then? Read the news from today. Not a bomb for this one, but an attack nonetheless.
Israel did not seek a peaceful solution.istael has never been at peace with it's neighbours. Any of them. Relations were starting to normalise but that's now hopeless for a long time. Although to be fair, both sides did seem to come to the table in good faith. It was apparent by the end that neither wished to come to an agreement that the other could tolerat. Israel is purposely settling in land that is not theirs to make a border impossible
Again, using your continuation of the metaphor, Israel is the 7 foot guy constantly harassing the 4 foot guy over many years. When the 4 foot guy finally snaps and punches back, the 7 foot guy paralyses him for life.
Yes attaching your military infrastructure to hospitals is wrong, it's a war crime and it's what Hamas is currently doing. It's asking for it to be attacked.
Are they from military actions or are they civil disputes. Every year Palestinians take pot shots at soldiers, fire a few rockets towards Israel,get lucky and kill some people. But that's generally not the converted effort of it's government.
This is an objectively false statement.
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uh-oh! pls don't try to argue who has more dead. remember that gaza launches approximately 4000 missiles every year towards israel and if it wasn't thx to israel's IRON DOME a whole lot would be dead or worse :c
Both actions and their consequences are important. Neither side is a “good” side. Hamas doesn’t represent all Palestinians. Israel’s policies do, as it’s an internationally recognised state with democratic processes.
Hamas firing thousands of rockets is terrorism. Israel eliminating Palestinians is genocide. Hamas’ stated objective is genocide.
uuhhhhhm hamas is the governing body of gaza tho!
so if israel policids represent all of israel then hamas politics represents all of gaza too!
but yuh, it's really bad! this is totally not Po pi po! :(