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CDC reports highest childhood vaccine exemption rate ever in the U.S.
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Care to explain? Basically every trustworthy source I skimmed through supports their argument.
Also, if you ever want proof that someone is a brainwashed, right-wing shill, just look for the phrase "THE covid vaccine". Because in their mind, there is only one. Not over a dozen different ones that actually exist. Hell, in the USA alone there's at least 4 different original-strain covid vaccines, not including the new bivalent vaccines.
But no. "THE covid vaccine". 🤦
Honestly this is the one thing I can unquestionably agree with you on lol
For a simple start, he doesn't understand the difference between a virus / bacterium/etc and what a disease is.
Nor does he understand what a vaccine is, or what it does.
Nor does he understand that every pathogen has a different rate / volume of transmission, acts differently on different people in different conditions and so on.
This is all right-wing, anti-science propaganda that we saw far too much of in 2020. This false idea that "if it isn't a magic 100% force field then it doesn't work at all".
It's all BS to get stupid people to do nothing and become petri dishes for bugs. Nothing owns the libs like trying their hardest to do nothing and die off. Or something like that.
I don't see how he says that because he specifically mentions how every vaccine is different, which is true. The first mRNA vaccines are way more effective than prior flu vaccines, for example. That intuitively seems important for defining the ratio needed to achieve herd immunity.
The only statement that I could consider false is that not meeting the "herd immunity ratio" is "useless." This obviously isn't true on a personal level, but on a community level in the context of herd immunity, it seems to be true based on my limited knowledge. Every source I've looked at says that the US as a whole has not reached herd immunity, especially since the newer COVID variants are spread more easily and thus require a higher proportion of people vaccinated.
I don't think this person is spreading misinformation or right-wing talking points. It seems that they have knowledge but can't effectively express it in a way that isn't misleading to a lay person. This (personally) seems like a widespread issue within STEM and not some comment made out of malice. There seems to be a huge disconnect between medical or scientific goals as well as public messaging that supports said goals
EDIT: I wanted to mention his comment about vaccines still allowing the spread of disease. He isn't saying that the vaccines aren't effective, but it does mean that you can carry a pathogen to someone else who isn't vaccinated. Vaccines aren't a silver bullet, even if they're really good.
Sure, if you ignore everything and anything about the viruses themselves. Like incubation time, ability to survive outside of hosts and so on and so forth.
Everything you're talking about is absolute garbage.
Which isn't relevant to what numbnuts said.
But he's implying it. He's spreading right-wing anti-science propaganda verbatim. This is the same copypasta they've been spreading for years. It has the thinnest varnish of plausibility, but really, it's complete bullshit.
They absolutely are, but that doesn't make them the magical forcefield that those maga lovers insist they be.
A vaccine just has to make us be able to reduce the ability of a virus to spread to below a certain point, and we win. It just takes longer. But Mr. Needs-Ritalin-Cocain-and-Caffeine-in-the-morning can't wait that long, so it fails. I mean, the least effective vaccines we came up with at the start were far more than enough to "win".
Oh, and by the by, it's these assholes who are why we have freaking whooping cough and measles back. We almost wiped them out, but no, the little death worshippers want to bring us back to the dark ages.