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Biden is funding genocide and is working in creating mechanisms that allow him to do so behind closed doors.
He has also made a few limp wristed pushes for things he has not delivered on, but if he is renewed, he has said he wants to TRY to do some of the things he promised some more.
To repeat, Biden funding of the genocide of Palestine sailed through with massive success.
Democrats need to find something better to offer. Fast.
Biden is still the best choice. People will vote for him until they can't.
Indeed. Need to vote all democrat down the ticket (hopefully with good choices in primaries) for the moment to preserve American democracy and freedom. Once the current fascist/authoritarian push is in the rear view mirror, then we can work on better choices.
This is Biden's last chance at a second term, he will not try again if he loses to Trump. Trump on the other hand will probably keep trying until he is dead, in prison, or his health in old age drags him down; Here's hoping Biden wins this one, and by 2028 Trump's health will be in decline/prevent him from running.
The problem is "for the moment to preserve American democracy and freedom" winds up being every election, unless a genuine leftward push is made at some point down the line.
If that leftward push never happens, every election is a choice between temporarily halting fascism, and allowing fascism to metastasize.
The "left" does not control enough of the government to make a serious leftward push. All they can currently manage is halting the advance.
Vote down the line.
Yes, mimic your enemy. Don't oppose your enemy.
Sadly, the way the game is set up, if you don't vote for one of the two parties then you are essentially splitting the vote and creating a void in which the party you never wanted to win will now certainly win. It's the only way to play with the rules we currently have.
You sound like a child.
Hi @lolcatnip, we have one rule on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. If you disagree with another user feel free to express why, but low effort, drive-by insults aren't really in the spirit of this instance.
You sound like a boomer.
Biden is plunging America into fascism? I was pretty sure this article was about Trump and the GOP but perhaps I misread it.
Ya, and the article is a propaganda post to scare you into accepting and being complicit in genocide.
Biden and Trump are both fascists.
We kept voting lesser evil and now both parties are fascist.
The Democrats aren't fascist though.
Acting in defiance of the votes and voice of the constituents. Funding genocide and working to do so unilaterally behind closed doors.
Yup. Sounds pretty fascist to me.
The majority of Americans support Israel, so they are not acting against the interests or voice of their constituents.
Are you sure about that?
The majority of Americans are supporting the Palestinian genocide right now?
Every report I have heard is that Biden's already abysmal approval rating TANKED the moment he started funding the genocide.
Last I checked, the average American is pretty anti-genocide.
Yes, Biden had 50% approval among democrats for his handling of the current conflict, and the majority of Republicans have always supportes Israel over Palestine.
Also not everyone agrees it's a genocide.
Centralized autocratic government. Unilaterally funding genocide against the wishes of the people. That is fascism. That is what both sides of the aisle are doing in America today. Biden happens to be in the drivers seat today.
11,000 unaffiliated civilians murdered in 1.5 months and Netanyahu is loudly ramping up. Sounds like genocide to me.
Hamas is intentionally using Palestinian civilians as human shields, attacking Israel from populated areas.
And Israel has the munitions and ability to kill every Palestinian in a matter of weeks. If they wanted to genocide the Palestinians they could have already wiped them out.
So the only option is to murder the human shield.
11 thousand of them in 1.5 months in fact.
Well the other option is try and move ground troops in, which not only risks their lives, but the human shield is still risked.
Hamas ceasing to exist would prevent the civilian casualties though, but Hamas wants as many civilians as possible to die.
And given Israel has the ability to kill all 1 million of them in that time, they must really just be terrible at this genocide thing.
Or... you know... wait until they move away from the human shield.
Hamas will not. Hamas is firing long range rockets from within civilian infrastructure, and Hamas wants civilians to die by Israeli counterattacks. Hamas will never leave the human shield.
Hamas is not a rational entity that is fighting for the good of Palestinians, and trying to save as many of them as they can. Hamas' only goal is the annihilation of all Jews, and the more Palestinians that die the better it is in Hamas' mind.
Thanks for saying it so clearly.
People would rather vote for the slow death of America than the fast death of America.
People. You don't need to vote for the death of America. You have that choice.
They conditioned you to think you must support evil.
We can still show that we don't support evil.
Are you talking about protesting by not voting or wasting a vote on a 3rd party? Without ranked choice voting, the only good spot for that is primaries and small local elections. The lesser of two evils is still the lesser of two evils. Life will be a hell of a lot worse for tons of people if the former guy wins again.
The problem is that eventually the GOP is going to win a presidential election. In a 2-party system, it's an eventuality, no ifs, ands, or buts.
Unless we radically reshape our government, that GOP fascist takeover being planned for now IS going to happen, but Democrats aren't even talking about that, they're just trying to cling to the broken status quo for as long as they can.
There is no way a third-party candidate wins in our system. It's simply not possible and to vote for one is to split the party vote. Look what happened with the Bull-Moose party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_United_States_presidential_election The rules haven't changed since so this is all you could expect from trying to get people to switch. You'd hand it over to Trump.
Right, and that is why I'm not saying to vote for a third party.
I am saying don't vote.
Stop humoring a broken system.
That's not a solution and the same result as voting for a third party. No one in America is going to care that you didn't vote.
And you're going to turn to the GOP, who is willing to deport you to the ME even if you are a natural born American? Good luck with that.
And keep in mind, the GOP position on the Hamas terrorist attacks is to give Israel all the arms and funding they want.