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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Quexotic@beehaw.org to c/politics@beehaw.org

So it looks like Trump has read the fascist playbook or something. I'm not surprised. I am concerned.

Edit: After thinking about it, I guess I am surprised that he can read.

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[-] Melkath@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Biden is funding genocide and is working in creating mechanisms that allow him to do so behind closed doors.

He has also made a few limp wristed pushes for things he has not delivered on, but if he is renewed, he has said he wants to TRY to do some of the things he promised some more.

To repeat, Biden funding of the genocide of Palestine sailed through with massive success.

Democrats need to find something better to offer. Fast.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 26 points 1 year ago

Biden is still the best choice. People will vote for him until they can't.

[-] Truck_kun@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Indeed. Need to vote all democrat down the ticket (hopefully with good choices in primaries) for the moment to preserve American democracy and freedom. Once the current fascist/authoritarian push is in the rear view mirror, then we can work on better choices.

This is Biden's last chance at a second term, he will not try again if he loses to Trump. Trump on the other hand will probably keep trying until he is dead, in prison, or his health in old age drags him down; Here's hoping Biden wins this one, and by 2028 Trump's health will be in decline/prevent him from running.

[-] Arkham@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

The problem is "for the moment to preserve American democracy and freedom" winds up being every election, unless a genuine leftward push is made at some point down the line.

If that leftward push never happens, every election is a choice between temporarily halting fascism, and allowing fascism to metastasize.

[-] pbjamm@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The "left" does not control enough of the government to make a serious leftward push. All they can currently manage is halting the advance.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

Vote down the line.

Yes, mimic your enemy. Don't oppose your enemy.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

Sadly, the way the game is set up, if you don't vote for one of the two parties then you are essentially splitting the vote and creating a void in which the party you never wanted to win will now certainly win. It's the only way to play with the rules we currently have.

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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 8 points 1 year ago
[-] TheRtRevKaiser@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Hi @lolcatnip, we have one rule on Beehaw: Be(e) Nice. If you disagree with another user feel free to express why, but low effort, drive-by insults aren't really in the spirit of this instance.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

You sound like a boomer.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago

Thanks for saying it so clearly.

People would rather vote for the slow death of America than the fast death of America.

People. You don't need to vote for the death of America. You have that choice.

They conditioned you to think you must support evil.

We can still show that we don't support evil.

[-] zhunk@beehaw.org 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Are you talking about protesting by not voting or wasting a vote on a 3rd party? Without ranked choice voting, the only good spot for that is primaries and small local elections. The lesser of two evils is still the lesser of two evils. Life will be a hell of a lot worse for tons of people if the former guy wins again.

[-] t3rmit3@beehaw.org 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem is that eventually the GOP is going to win a presidential election. In a 2-party system, it's an eventuality, no ifs, ands, or buts.

Unless we radically reshape our government, that GOP fascist takeover being planned for now IS going to happen, but Democrats aren't even talking about that, they're just trying to cling to the broken status quo for as long as they can.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago

There is no way a third-party candidate wins in our system. It's simply not possible and to vote for one is to split the party vote. Look what happened with the Bull-Moose party. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_United_States_presidential_election The rules haven't changed since so this is all you could expect from trying to get people to switch. You'd hand it over to Trump.

[-] Melkath@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago

Right, and that is why I'm not saying to vote for a third party.

I am saying don't vote.

Stop humoring a broken system.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

That's not a solution and the same result as voting for a third party. No one in America is going to care that you didn't vote.

[-] Banzai51@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And you're going to turn to the GOP, who is willing to deport you to the ME even if you are a natural born American? Good luck with that.

And keep in mind, the GOP position on the Hamas terrorist attacks is to give Israel all the arms and funding they want.

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