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I've been trying to find a good Marxist instance, but Lemmygrad and Hexbear are widely hated. Why is that? Are there any good leftist instances?

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 43 points 10 months ago

Lemmygrad is filled with the American patriot version of communists. You will excuses for the Uighur genocide and acts of repression against ethnic minorities for the good of the nation as a whole. You also get into weird cases of trying to redefine words because the words don't match their narrative. For instance, I was in one discussion trying to argue that China was a democracy because the government worked for the people, even if there was never any official method of communicating the public will.

Hexbear seems more geared towards being angry and bitter at liberals for not doing what they see as the right thing. There isn't any discussion on political theory, talk of political organization outside of violent revolution is frowned on, and the focus seems geared on one small part of the political spectrum while ignoring other parts entirely.

If anything, solarpunk may be the healthier leftist sub because it is geared in part towards solutions instead of focusing on problems.

[-] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 34 points 10 months ago

even if there was never any official method of communicating the public will.

What do you mean by this? What kinds of methods do you find acceptable?

There isn't any discussion on political theory

There is absolutely talk of political theory on hexbear. Right now currently there's a bell hooks reading group pinned to our front page. I've learned a surprising amount from my fellow hexbear nerds. People drop reading recommendations constantly and if you make a thread with questions from something you're reading, you'll get engagement and answers. It's pretty cool.

the focus seems geared on one small part of the political spectrum while ignoring other parts entirely.

Yes, we're communists. We aren't going to pretend liberals are worth engaging with politically. That being said, we are a leftist unity instance, so anarchists, MLs, maoists, what have you are all welcome. As long as you're an actual leftist and not some "just vooooote" liberal, you'll probably enjoy hexbear.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 7 points 10 months ago

What do you mean by this? What kinds of methods do you find acceptable?

Some form of vote. And this isn't an argument on which system is better or not, just a definition of democracy compared to other forms of government.

There is absolutely talk of political theory on hexbear.

It is very little and it doesn't get upvoteed much. If you are going to see posts from all, it isn't there.

We aren't going to pretend liberals are worth engaging with politically.

But Hexbear talks about liberals a lot, far more than any other political group. It comes across as a communal hate time for one group. It feels strange to focus on one half of the political systems typically represented in democracies and not the other.

not some "just vooooote" liberal

I touched on this in my reply. There is little in terms of discussion for organization or action. It doesn't come across as a group wanting to make change, but complain. And the hostility to voting feels like it comes from not wanting to do anything in the political sphere that will actually affect change.

[-] NATOSleeperCell@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

"Some form of vote"????????????

They...do vote??? There are elections??? Where are you pulling this??

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