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This strategy is clever in the short term, given the lines of attack they're leaning on in the information side of the war. What makes no sense though, is those people are exactly what Russia needs to fix its demographics problem.
Those people are population, potential labor and soldiers. Yeah, I understand, they want them to be Russian, not foreigners. But, y'know, Russification is kinda a thing. So, why aren't they integrating this population as a resource and trying to Russify it, and instead just wasting it by using it as a piece for short-term political pressure? And then trying to patch up demographics by asking women to have more kids...?
I mean, in the long term this is just a drop in the bucket of European debates about immigration policy.
Logistically, you are right, Russia is down a population size of about 2 million from the start of the war. Worse is that those are mostly going to be trade skill and factory workers.
That being said, I think Putin is seeing those immigrants as more of an unstable element. In that those migrants might give your population ideas... like separation, leaving too, rebellion, or resistance. Which for a repressed Russia, would be a like lighting a match on a powder keg.
As much as Russia needs the extra manpower, I think Russia can't afford the potential of an insurrection.
They don't want to stay in Russia, that's why. When Belarus sent migrants over their border they specifically promised them they would get them into the EU and flew them out from the middle east.
I rather think it's based on KGB-style misunderstanding of the liberal mindset: The intended goal seems to be either a) cause overload of the asylum system, distracting the country, and/or b) cause internal division in the country, xenophobes vs. liberals. What they just can't fathom is, as happened not just in Poland but also with the rest of Europe's reaction to what the Poles did, c) everyone putting the blame squarely on Russia. Because no matter how much a liberal's heart may bleed what's worse is abusing vulnerable people for your bullshit and discouraging that by putting up a hard front is more important than the fucked situation the people themselves are in because the state of the system is more important than random acts of charity. Really, tl;dr: It's a bad move to negotiate with terrorists. Always.
Just fascists doing fascist things. Don't expect any of it to make sense.
I think it's insane. People are trying to escape the regime and it's being treated like Russia is sending them out on purpose. Let the people leave. They're just people for fucks sake.
These aren't Russian citizens, they're people from elsewhere in the world that ended up in Russia. They're essentially trafficking victims.
If they were Russian citizens, then they could just be conscripted.
So if they're not even Russian then how are they a 'security threat'? Why keep them out?? I'll be honest this just looks like the typical white supremacist anti immigrant bs I usually see from westerners. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best." etc
Who said they're a security threat? And why let them in when they're in a country which invited them over? They're Russia's responsibility.
I mean they clearly don't want to be in Russia themselves. Same as how not everyone coming in from Mexico is Mexican.
If this is anything like the Belarus situation (which I assume) then people were brought there on the promise of getting into the EU and, when that didn't materialise, weren't given the opportunity to leave Russia via any other means: They were bussed to the EU border and told to walk towards it and worse:
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Reactions, btw, included Iraq and Turkey suspending flights to Belarus.