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Six teenagers in court over beheading of French teacher
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This is terrible news. Obviously no one needs to be killed for such a thing.
Still, I can't help but thing it's also ridiculous to draw pictures of Muhammad. No one knows what he looks like. These people just use Islamophobia to post racist caricatures.
Also, Muslims love their prophet more than most people I know love their mothers. THIS IS NOT TO EXCUSE THEIR BEHAVIOR but seriously Muslims view their prophet like a big brother. Like literally love the guy like family. There's 2 billion Muslims. You only have to really anger one or two to get attacked. Once again, not an excuse for them. This is murder.
This is a thing in France, we have caricatures for everything. Muhammed isn't an exception, and shouldn't be. It's not islamophobia. This was a freedom of expression class too, it should be talking about controversial topics.
A forum moderator used to post the Charlie Hebdo caricatures when I used to use a very specific Linux distributions. I never said anything about it but my first thought is that is an extremely RACIST way to draw an Arab. Though I am interested in what you are saying. Could you give me examples of controversial caricatures involving other religious minorities or even some of French people to try to grasp the idea?
Charlie Hebdo is a really good exemple. It has caricature of literally everything. From celebrity to religion to politic and whatever politically incorrect joke you can think of. It may looks islamophobic, but it's against everyone. I wouldn't be surprised if they did caticature of people making caricature, some certainly did. The difference is that some take it well and adapt to this French humor, and some don't. (I don't mean this as an issue with Islam, it's an issue with extremistd that would behead a teacher).
I personnaly dislike this humor and art style, but it should exist.
Btw, hebdo in Charlie hebdo means every week, since 1970, so they had to time to offend everyone.
https://i0.wp.com/www.contrepoints.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Charlie-Hebdo-aux-chiottes-toutes-les-religions-Credit-Mona-Eberhardt-Creative-Commons.jpg
I guess South Park is the American version? Thank you for the explanation.
I am also curious if anything news worthy came from this specific comic (with the three toilet paper rolls).
Yes exactly. And South Park is popular in France too.
I searched Charlie hebdo religion and took the first one so I don't know, but they have hundreds of similar comic, I don't think it had anything special.
But no one can critic Charlie Hebdo since the 2012 attack
Thank you for trying to explain. I don't like it but I appreciate you typing it out. Despite this, I still can't wrap my head around how a, as you say, racist caricature can rationally warrant a brutal murder in response. Someone making fun of my mother or brother would not elicit such a reaction from me. When the reaction is so extremely out of proportion with the crime and we hear these explanations why this makes sense, the religion and it's followers who feel such a way become their own caricature. Even without the cartoons.
Do they hope to elicit fear and respect? Because this sort of psychopathy from any social group does the opposite. Respectfully, there is a difference between condemning such an act full stop, and disagreeing with what they did but still thinking it makes sense and people shouldn't do things that force such an action. The later is what leads Western countries to conclude Islam is incompatible in societies that have, perhaps, once held such a worldview, but in the last thousand years have collectively agreed that is no longer allowed.
You claim only one or two may attack... but holding the same mindset as the killers is still not compatible with Western ideals. I can think someone is an idiot who is going to hell, but that should be the extent of my involvement in their life and the rest is between them and God.
Once again, I want to reiterate that this is a crime and I'm not trying to excuse their behavior.
This isn't one guy making fun of your mother. The sheer of scale is much greater. This is why I don't think this is some grand plan to elicit fear from the French. This was six angry teenagers committing murder on a target picked out ahead of time.
It's not about logic and ideals. It's more of a matter of heart. Perhaps the solution isn't one of laws but just teaching people to cope with anger better AND to deescalate a lot of the recent problems in France.
My understanding is that the point is that he's supposed to be an "every man" kinda guy. Mohammad could be any of us. If you depict him, it makes us not him.
So apparently he's also a gang of murderous psycho teens. Or I guess the kids stopped being him once they saw the picture and reverted into psycho murderers
Personally, I don't think this makes any sense. There is so much recordings of his actions and his sayings that a specific personality can be inferred. I think I played enough RPGs to understand what an "every man" is supposed to be.
His specific personality was being a pedophile.