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Russia approves record spend for its military in new 2024 budget (www.euronews.com)

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[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately Russia has a long history of throwing bodies at a problem until it is solved. They lost almost 30 million people in WWII and I have no doubt Putin would throw as many as he could get away with at Ukraine as was needed.

[-] Darukhnarn@feddit.de 38 points 11 months ago

A lot of these bodies were Ukrainian back then.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

And now too apparently: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/25/world/russia-ukraine-putin-news

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

He can solve it by withdrawing his forces.

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 17 points 11 months ago

He’s achieving two of his goals: genocide of Ukrainians and genocide of minorities of Russian federation.

Why would he withdraw?

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Genocide has no meaning anymore. The war between Ukraine and Russia is pretty much as conventional as it can get, stop using the term genocide inflationary

[-] Slotos@feddit.nl 4 points 11 months ago

Genocide has five very precise definitions that have no connection to the type of war being waged.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago

shhh common sense is too advanced for them

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Comrade, allow me to show you beautiful view from 16th floor balcony. Very beautiful, is to die for.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

But first, a cup of tea. Be sure to drink all of it!

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I don't think he could do 30 mil. His army is only about 3 million personnel including reservists per wikipedia, and AFU is claiming to have liquidated nearly 10% that many. Military theory is that an army loses all combat efficacy at around 30-40% casualties, and the rate of Russian casualties per day has gone up very significantly. After Russia spent all those lives in WWII, their demographics are still not what they used to be.

Despite the fact that they're paying troops so much to fight, it's not clear to me that they can sustain these losses indefinitely. What we're really seeing here is whether Putin's "military Keynesianism" can overcome Russia's demographic collapse. Experts are already saying Russia could not mount an invasion of this scale again for the foreseeable future.

I think they're going to end up as a failed state in the long run whether or not they succeed in Ukraine. The resistance would metastasize into an insurgency.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

They had more soldiers than guns.

Folks went into the front lines knowing the plan was to pick up guns from their dead commrades.

[-] giantofthenorth@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago

I think it's important enough to note, there's no evidence showing this was the plan in any Soviet campaign in WW2. (But this is based off memory so there could be a single digit number of times)

In WW1? That would be accurate. Say what you will about Soviets but weapons were something they could produce and properly supply unlike the tsar.

In the Ukraine war though you are probably correct.

[-] foggy@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'll admit my sources are unverifiable, while strong.

Stories from college professors. Guy was not a biased man, and was probably a fuggin mod on /r/askhistory; that type. 🤷‍♂️ Strong to me. No one listen to me. I'm drunk.

Edit: and my general history is not iron clad; could been WWI, but it seems a prevalent story beyond my eccentric old professor.

[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 6 points 11 months ago

I loved that you got two conscripts out of your barracks instead of one when playing as Russia in Command and Conquer.

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