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I'm at a total loss. There has been such a concerted effort to paint any resistance to the Gaza genocide as anti-Israel or antisemitic. Its honestly hard to tell if these types of people are totally delusional or if they're doing it intentionally.
It's 100% intentional because the government and military of Israel want to be viewed as synonymous with Jewish people. Its their justification for calling anti Israel sentiments anti-Semitic.
Zionism is antisemitic and has been since the beginning
Totally agree. Ethno states are bad and they're bad for the ethnic group as well.
There are plenty of rabbis who describe zionism as being against the torah, because Jews are only supposed to return to Israel during the end-times.
Which is precisely why the evangelical Christians are so vehemently pro-Israel. They want the end times to come.
I want their end times to come too so they can get raptured out. I feel like there'd be an immediate improvement in society.
Yeah, if hell is separation from Yahweh/Allah, that sounds great for the world.
Wanting a Homeland for the Jews is anti-Semitic? 🤔
Wanting a homeland for them (in order to purge them from one's own country because of one's own bigotry) is absolutely anti-Semitic.
Personally, I like having different types of people around and it would suck if Jewish people all moved back to Israel.
Theodore hertzel encouraged antisemitism to encourage Jews to move and modern Zionists do too.
Having a homeland does not imply they have to live there. I'm glad to have them around too, and I'm glad they have an international ally and a place to escape to should pogroms return. They are still frequently scapegoated by the right and are the subject of countless conspiracy theories. It wasn't long ago they were driven from the Muslim world, and it's a good thing they had Israel to escape to. In WWII, before Israel existed, they didn't.
Not everyone thinks this way. "Go back where you came from" is a rallying cry of racist bigots around the world. Israel is just passing the buck on violence against stateless people.
It is possible to hate both the Israeli government and Hamas while simultaneously supporting Jews and Palestinians. This is not a black and white issue. When you cage and oppress people, you make violence inevitable. And so even though I deplore the violence of Hamas, I can't help but see Israel as bearing a large share is the responsibility as the party who holds all of the non-violent power (and most of the violent power, but that's beside the point).
Perfectly reasonable take.
Israel is intentionlly misusing the term antisemitism to defend their ethnostate project
That has been their modus operandi for a long time though, and they usually get away with it.
Equating antisemitism (race) with anti-zionism (ideology) is their favourite strategy.
I think the people in positions of power are doing it intentionally. Their followers however are delusional.