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Open secret at climate talks: The top temperature goal is mostly gone
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Looking forward to the water wars when we can all ask ourselves, was it worth it.
It'll depend on who you ask: The obscenely wealthy will still say yes and the people they've been fucking over forever will probably disagree except perhaps about 39% of the normal population which is apparently too stupid to question or think critically about literally anything.
Yew hav bin purminintly band frum c/Conservative
39 percent? You're quite the optimist.
It was a joke about the latest brand of fascism that's been popping up in the US over the last decade or so, but I probably should've said "at least 39%".
God, I know too many old liberals who still treat the economy as the end goal.
We brought value to the shareholders!
Amen.
Exxon exec: Yes, yes it was worth it.
Gonna be moving back to tribal society.
It was a good run (for the ruling class), but the natives win in the end. That's what sustainability is all about.
The United States and China will be the biggest winners of climate change. The nation's around the equator will be the biggest losers.
Don’t be so sure. We in the US are already struggling with refugees at our border; that problem will intensify exponentially as warming increases.
Tell me why this will not end in a massacre? The Western nations are already electing fascist leaders with a minor refugee crisis. When the situation worsens, borders will be closed, people will be shot or otherwise "taken care of". I wish it weren't so, but with our history and current trajectory, why is it not going to end like that?
The "better-off nations" are about to face wave after wave of climate refugees that will make recent war refugee crises look like casual tourism. Y'all think they will be welcomed by food and shelter or barbed wire and watchtowers?
Exactly my point. And it's not going to be easypeasy in the better off nations either. Just look at what a ship accident in the Suez canal did to European goods. What China's covid problems did to global availability of goods. We had to worry about food problems because of the war in Ukraine. Our economy is global and fragile, because there are no redundancies.
The Western world will suffer as well, even if they close all borders and manage to keep people out of it. Why would the rest of the world produce for us if they have other problems to worry about?
There's like 5 billions of people not living in Europe or in the good parts of China. I guess there's going to be a lot of space in the currently frozen lands of Siberia
I think there’s a pretty good chance you’re right.
Devils advocate here, but wouldnt that be the best case scenario for the planet?
The planet doesn't care. It doesn't matter at which level the final temperature sits, the planet will keep on rotating around the sun.
The question is how WE want to live.
The border issue will increase to the point the Conservatives will rule no one can come in. They will permanently close the U.S. Land Border.
Closed borders hasn’t stopped determined folks. There will always be ways to get across, legal or not.
Thry just made Texas take dien their razor buoys.
Russia, Canada, and Alaska will be the biggest winners
Me in the Netherlands: blub blub blub
We should grow gills like Kevin Costner.
I think the microplastics will kill us off before then.