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this post was submitted on 02 Dec 2023
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Anyone who is actively participating in society in a first world country can afford a cheap smartphone. And if you live in the U.S. and somehow can’t afford one, the government will give you one for free. So it isn’t so much “ignorant” as it is “accurate”
Ah yes, such accuracy. Fuck everyone that's not in the US.
Having to rely on my government to give me a smart phone, so I can take notes in class, is one of the oddest things I've heard to "prove" kids should not be taught a basic skill.
That’s the neat part, you don’t have to rely on the government to give you a smart phone to take notes in class. You can still take handwritten notes without cursive. It’s really very easy. It almost sounds like you don’t even know how to write legibly in print?
Your condescension doesn't even make sense. You had the opportunity to say I was poor or didn't know how to use a smartphone or something.
But no, you maintain that everyone in the world should have a smartphone at all times and are on some sort of high horse about being able to write simple letters only.
It makes perfect sense. Maybe you spent too much time in school learning cursive and not enough time learning critical thinking?
You don’t have to have a smartphone at all times if you don’t want to. You still don’t need cursive. I’m not sure what’s so difficult for you to understand. Most people do, and most people will use their phone. If you’re one of the few people on the planet who are both educated but also can’t/don’t want to use a phone, you still have the option to write by hand, and you still don’t need cursive to do that.
You speak of high horses while you insist that you’re somehow more enlightened because you know how to write a specific way that gives you some marginal benefit in situations that most people don’t even find themselves in.
We get it, you’re a very special cookie. But the rest of us are just fine without lol.
I think you need to look up critical thinking also. I'm providing links to peer reviewed studies showing the benefits and you're using your feelings to form an opinion because of how it was taught to you, and your personal experience (not) using it in adulthood.
It's not really getting on a high horse to say that kids should not get a dumbed down education specifically in an area that helps with the actual act of learning and fine motor control.
I'm fine, my kids will be fine. American children will have increasingly weak educations.
You’ve linked peer reviewed studies showing the marginal benefits in scenarios that don’t apply to most people most of the time. It’s not that there’s absolute zero benefit, just not enough benefit to keep teaching it. School is compulsory in the U.S. so it’s important that we choose subjects that stand to benefit American students the most. And an archaic writing system that the vast majority of students will never use again once leaving grade school is not a great benefit. It’s not a “dumbing down” it’s a trimming of that fat. We taught cursive in schools for centuries, and it’s just not used anymore, so why keep teaching it?
You’re still on your high horse and talk down about American education and yet here you are on Lemmy struggling to form a single coherent thought, losing track of the thread of argument, and just repeating the same thing over and over without making any real substantial point. Evidently your education wasn’t the hottest either. Probably because they have too strong a focus on nonsense like cursive script.
There has been no argument. I think kids should be taught how to write well as (and you agree) it has benefits for their whole school learning experience.
You are replying to me with moronic shit all over this post because you are adamant that time could be used for something better. Maybe an insults class? Seems to be what you want to practice the most in your adult life.
That’s the thing, we do teach kids to write well. In a script they’ll actually use. It almost feels like you feel the need to make this pointless argument just so that you can justify the time you wasted learning cursive. Like as a coping mechanism.
We just don’t have that problem. We write what we need to write in a way that works and for everything else we type. I feel for you that your students are evidently so destitute and your school system so inadequate that you don’t have basic, cheap technology available to your students and children, but that’s just not a problem we have. It’s not any kind of deficit for us that we don’t teach cursive anymore. It’s the most non-issue with our school systems anyone could possibly think up.
Ha, you revisited my suggestion for improving your insults and called me poor and tried to blame my position on a coping mechanism again.
Are you a chatbot? You talk like a chatbot.
I didn’t call you poor, you called yourself poor. You tried to argue that having access to a cellphone was some kind of privilege of wealth that is unattainable for the average person, and literally said it would be ignorant to assume otherwise. Either it’s normal in your country to be so poor that you can’t even afford a cheap smart phone, or it isn’t. And if it isn’t, then you admit that people have regular and easy access to a note taking device and you were just bullshitting me. I can’t answer that question, only you can.
Tell me more chatbot.
I’ll take that as you throwing in the towel lol.
Sure, the best way to win an argument, wearing the other party down with nonsense, repetition and insults.
Maybe you can teach that in your schools along with forced nationalism, Christian values and typing.
Well since your argument isn’t based in reality, you have to make it all up as you go along. I guess you just ran out of ideas. It was bound to happen eventually. Now that you mention a chat bot, I have to wonder if you were just feeding my comments into chat GPT and copy and pasting its responses. Your responses do lack the context of object reality much like chatGPT would. It would explain a lot.
Ah the old reverse uno card. You got me.