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I'm a reddit refugee trying to figure this out. It seems to me like it's a decent idea to break up countrol like this, but unfortunately there are some inherent problems that mean it might not work in the real world.

The biggest in my view is that communities are scoped to the instance they started in. You could have 2 different communities with the same niche and the same or similar name but different insurances and the subscriber numbers will be split across them. I think this is damaging to growth because it spreads active users.

Eventually if the niche grows one of the communities of the niche will be the biggest and most active. So generally users will consolidate around the instances with the most active communities thus making those instances have a lot of control and defeating the purpose of federation.

Is there something I'm missing here? Because currently I'm not convinced this can both grow and keep things decentralized.

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[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The basic tl;dr: is that posts and comments are shared and copied between federated instances, which is why I’m signed into the reddthat.com instance, yet can see and interact with your post and comments on lemmy.world, and vice versa. Instances can defederate from other instances, stopping that share of information, which is typically done when an instance has objectionable content, is being swarmed by bot accounts that spam other instances, etc. For example many instances are defederated from the nsfw instances, so if you want that content, you have to make an account local to that instance, or on an instance that has chosen to stay federated with them.

[-] betabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't feel like that answered the op question. As an example, every general 'gaming' instance that is federated can see each other, so I subscribe to every one I can find, but then I get some posts four times in a row (or more) with varying activity. (Hence the split community point).

I wish communities could be grouped in some way.

Either they go by the wayside or take control of a topic as of now.

Also, what if I'm subscribed to the community that isn't the active one, I have to constantly find new ones to keep up instead of just my feed for that topic?

Edit: part of growing the community has to be ease of access to content, that still seems limited on lemmy, for now

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well then you should have replied to the OP so they got this explanation instead of me. Or have provided some explanation that does answer the OP’s question, because that doesn’t seem to either.

[-] betabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 months ago

I was just addressing my concerns with Lemmy, for now. One of my suggestions (grouping communities) is one that could solve some of the issues with op's questions.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 3 points 11 months ago

I agree on that point. I find myself wanting to block the extraneous news communities to only see one copy of a story instead of six, but have no idea which ones to consider the extras.

[-] betabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Same, on many topics. How would I know which community will have the most activity, or none at all. It's my biggest issue here. Not a deal breaker, but annoying.

[-] livus@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

@betabob when you search communities in lemmy doesn't it give you number of posts? That's a pretty good indication.

Way I see it, join em all, you soon see what is and isn't active in your feed.

[-] betabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 11 months ago

Sure, but I feel like there is still fluctuation and more often than not a varying degree of activity and posts that it makes it hard to stick to just one (identical) community for now. I'm sure it'll settle over time though.

[-] livus@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

@betabob I think it will. Also, I find myself developing preferences based on the typical commenters, mod styles etc.

[-] livus@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Hmm one hack for you would be to take a look at the feeds for news collections on http://kbin.social/magazines/collections and get a sense of which are most active, then sub to them or block others.

Or you could just pick the ones where you like the comments.

I block all the big meme communities to improve my All.

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

hmmm, ok, thanks, I’ll give that a shot. Pretty much all meme communities are already blocked here, that’s not an issue. The main problem with news communities is I’m trying to avoid subscribing to them so my subscribed feed is spared all the stressful content if I want a break from it, but I may have to compromise there.

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