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Zelenskiy to visit Washington in bid to break Senate deadlock on Ukraine aid
(www.theguardian.com)
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You do realize that simplifying an issue to a "yes or no" is bad debating? Life isn't black and white. Yes, Ukraine might lose in the end. They also might win. As I said - I don't give a shit send them all that is possible so they can win.
No actually, it's not 'bad debating' when the point is that people are succumbing to propaganda.
You try to make it about "people succumbing to propaganda" when most people don't give a shit. They want old weapons to be sent to a country that is currently defending itself from Russia. That's the point of this entite thread, post, whatever.
They want those weapons to be sent because they believe(d) it would enable Ukraine to do things like take back Crimea. Which it hasn't been able to do.
Now we pivot to them needing more to do what? Slow their loss?
I don't think Ukraine can prevent a Russian victory without foreign troops. Not just volunteers; coordinated, foreign, military aid.
Russia has too many men. Their propaganda machine is too strong. Even if Ukrainians can kill more Russians per Ukrainians lost, the numbers simply cannot be ignored unless you are succumbing to propaganda.